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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings baby

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i'm back

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yes i'm your host dj along with my

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co-conspirator

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co-collaborator my brother from another

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my co-pilot

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money nathan what's up honey what's up

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what's up and you know why i said

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co-pilot nathan because i love when we

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fly together you know why why's that

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it's because

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nathan's the kind of guy you know he can

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land the airplane just as well as me but

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you know what the only time he puts on

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autopilot is when he's checking his

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twitter feed other than that he punched

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that autopilot off and he's flying the

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yoke in the throttles man so that's

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what's up right

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yeah that's what we're talking about uh

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also let's say hello to our associate

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producer akashi chris mullins

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material taken out of his waist but

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we'll get to that later not a big deal

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nobody be concerned okay say hello to

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flares kevin

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i like pie it's good cheers my brother

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from another and of course our our

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researcher and contextualizer the woman

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who's able to put it all together and

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the times when she's not thinking about

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the phenomenon is when she's sleeping

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and she's still thinking about the

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phenomenon right nathan that's all you

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know that's right 24 7. 24 7 baby what's

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we're going to get her in for that now

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nathan yeah we gotta get her into

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treatment so we'll look into that after

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the show but now it's time to welcome in

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our special guest a man uh uh

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basically a star of the uh the small

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screen the big screen stage the host of

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somewhere in the skies the playwright

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who can't be wrong

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party people put your hands together

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for a mister

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ryan

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that is the

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warmest welcoming i've ever gotten

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sprague sprog sprague it's i don't care

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guys we just uh don't call me late for

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dinner

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hey again can i get an amen especially

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at a new york city restaurant we were

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trying to uh use a little bit of an exit

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and say orion

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you know so we're just trying to channel

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i don't know something from florence i

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have no idea

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make you make me want pizza for some

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reason now yeah

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come on all right new york style yeah

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where are we going in the city are we

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going to uh grimaldi's are we going to

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john's are we going to uh

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patsy's i mean where do you what's your

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in manhattan i go to john's john's on

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bleecker street yep yep um because

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if you go to raise it is not the

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original raise you guys know that yeah

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if uh elf has taught us anything there's

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no original raise it never existed

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ouch all right man so i dig it i'm glad

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that you're into pizza that's just

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another thing that we can connect on

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besides the fact that uh we're both new

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yorkers um

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so anyway i'm gonna kick this off ryan

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and uh this is what i got for you

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obviously at some point uh during this

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journey you identified yourself as a

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researcher you know uh and and you've

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you know been looking for answers for

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far longer than any of us have as such

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i'm sure that your interests have sort

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of ebbed and flowed to different aspects

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of the phenomenon so i'm curious what is

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like what tangent of the phenomenon i

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guess has piqued your interest at the

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researching ufos specifically uh since

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age 13 when i um i actually

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conducted my first interview with a ufo

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witness when i was 13.

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and i think as the years have gone on

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and as i've matured and um kind of honed

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my researching skills i can honestly say

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i have absolutely no effing idea what

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it checks out yeah any ufo researcher

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that tells you different they're full of

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but what i was getting at what i was

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getting at is there you know a lot of

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people were talking about hybridization

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dimensions we're looking at yeah did

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that hybridization happen 70 000 years

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ago how does consciousness play into all

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this what is consciousness you know are

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there multiple realities so is there a

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certain thing right now like nathan and

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i last week we're doing this deep and

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deb we're all doing this deep dive on

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consciousness what is there is there a

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current tangent that

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yeah um you know again going back to my

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early years i was all about et like ufos

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are piloted by extraterrestrial

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intelligence from another planet um and

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as time has gone on and that answer

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actually seems to um be the least

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likeliest and that is because of the

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incredible just um you know revolutions

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phenomena uh we realize that they are

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somehow intrinsically linked with

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everything whether you're looking at um

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consciousness or or or quantum physics

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you know something we're just beginning

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to scratch the surface of um i think

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i don't think we're gonna find the

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answers anytime soon and i know that

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might be a sobering way to start the

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that journey i think is going to lead to

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so many incredible things i remember

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speaking to a historian who looked at

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the ufo topic strictly from a historical

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aspect and he said you look at every

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decade of researching this phenomenon

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two three four five steps ahead of what

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we want to be what we inspire to be as

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humans as uh as as you know

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scientifically based uh beings and you

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know progressing and um ufos always seem

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to be a couple steps ahead of us and

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that's exciting we now have something we

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can look at in videos or or photos or

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have these conversations and be like wow

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that could be us someday so yeah man i

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think um consciousness is i'm getting a

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lot more into that lately and i wasn't

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so um i think it's awesome that's why i

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love watching your guys conversations

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because they go there and so many of

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these ufo shows don't go there it's the

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analyzing the video did it rotate didn't

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it did it did it didn't it i didn't care

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i don't care yeah i'm over it

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important things we should be talking

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am i the only one that's tired of seeing

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the tic tac on every news article like

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that's the picture they use every time

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absolutely [\h__\h] guilty of it as well

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all right that's who kev yeah i got

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music i gotta pass you over to my man

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right here there's a reason why we call

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money nathan you about to find out oh

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man hey listen ryan so first off um

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this book

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which i can't get in the frame yeah

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that book is awesome and uh

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i just want to say

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your writing style is so engaging and uh

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the way that you write the characters

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and their stories you know and sharing

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their stories just

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it comes through you know it's just

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really a passionate work and i'm really

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grateful for the time you put into that

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and sharing that with everybody um it's

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clear to me that you're a student of

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human nature you know that you really

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someone that uh

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doesn't just get the facts you kind of

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look at a deeper level at who the person

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and i was sort of curious i know you had

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an experience really early you know when

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you were 13 and is that something

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the way you look at people and the way

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you kind of engage with them is that

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something you've always been inclined to

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kind of develop after that experience or

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you know later in your life where did

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that come from

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right well oh i'm so happy you brought

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that up and thank you for the very kind

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words um you know i i always tell people

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um those are stories from people all

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over the world in all walks of life

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every belief system um they they made

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the book like i i found some way to kind

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of string it together but um that was

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all on the witnesses in experiencers who

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had the courage to come forward and use

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the real names in the book which was

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something i was big on uh for the very

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beginning i think it helps

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empower people to come forward it

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normalizes the topic um blah blah blah

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this is not a pitch for the book

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yeah we want to promote your stuff

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please that's very kind of please um so

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yes i did have a ufo setting at age 12

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in 1995 uh with my father

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we both saw a triangular

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lights over the saint lawrence river

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river excuse me in central new york um

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living daylights out of me

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my father kind of stood there

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dumbfounded could not explain to me what

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i was seeing um tried to for days weeks

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after that um and couldn't and i had

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nightmares and it really affected me um

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no matter what it was it could have been

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a blimp it could have been a stealth

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craft it could have been from zeta

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reticuli i don't know i probably never

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will know but um it did it it changed my

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life in that moment and that's when i

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started doing you know the the mile-long

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bike rides to my local library and

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taking out the books on nessie and

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bigfoot and ufos and um

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and then i mentioned my first interview

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a year later my dad actually um he's a

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bowler he actually today he's

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celebrating uh the anniversary of his i

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think seventh three hundred game in

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bowling wow he's like

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hello the dude

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lebowski i guess

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the name of your next play

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um but yeah so i think from the very

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start um i interviewed a vietnam veteran

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who had a ufo sighting over the pacific

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ocean and again mind you i'm 13. i'm

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talking to this guy on the phone this

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guy has had more life experience than me

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my parents anything and just to be on

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the phone hearing him talk about being

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in war um actually was

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like two hours of a two-hour and

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20-minute conversation maybe 20 minutes

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was about this ufo but i just i just

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remember being enthralled by this man's

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life and then how this ufo event that he

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had never shared with anyone except his

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son who in turn was the one to tell my

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father who in turn told me and um and he

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told me about this crazy foo

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fighter-esque ufo event he had over the

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pacific during vietnam i wrote it down i

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handed it in

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to my english teacher as a writing

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project awesome and uh i got an a and

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um

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the the witness unfortunately passed

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away months after that um but i was one

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of the few people he left that story

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with and that really touched me even as

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a kid i was like wow the fact that he

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like trusted me with that he was willing

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to finally get it off his chest as a lot

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of these military people never do

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um more now so more than ever but um

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that really hit me and then you know as

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the years went on

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my interest in ufos ebbed and flowed i

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always kind of like

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wrote essays to myself about like

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roswell and um whatever um you know

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billy meyer or what insert ufo thing

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here um

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and then when i um got to college i

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got really interested in theater um i

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was an athlete i played baseball um

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in high school and then a little bit in

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college

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and then um i got injured and i was like

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okay i gotta figure out something else

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to do with my time here and i joined the

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theater department i've done a couple

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plays wow like before that and um

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and i caught the bug and theater became

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kind of my life and i decided that i

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would act and i would write because i

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loved writing um i merged those worlds

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together and that eventually led to what

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i consider my ufology which is dealing

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with the people

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and

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as a playwright you that's what you do

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people are your world and you create

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characters you create everything around

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them uh what makes them tick what what

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changes them what ultimately changes

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them as a person that's why we see plays

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in movies we want to see a person either

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um

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get their comeuppance or or get like

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that one thing they've always wanted and

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a lot of the time

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these ufo events can be a pivotal moment

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in someone's life and it can change them

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forever so i decided right there and

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then like that's what i want to do i

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want to go i want to talk to people

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who've seen these things that i've seen

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who don't have answers to it might never

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get them but how did it what did it do

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how did it affect them how does it

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affect the people around them like oh

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you said you're abducted by aliens 10

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times what does your husband think about

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or what is like your priest at the

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church you attend what do they think

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about you being interested in this so

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that's really um what kind of led me to

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where i am today and that's the people

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who've seen these things well i i like

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to say that that

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any of these whether it's a live

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performance on stage or music or art the

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reason that you attend something like

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that is to be moved emotionally if you

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go to any performance and you're moved

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to emotion then that artist accomplished

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their goal

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whether it's absolutely you know going

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to see the beatles it's like okay some

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people can really take take apart the

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music like kevin and and wow you know

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george is a genius and so is and shows

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john and the guitar but really it's

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being moved emotionally is is whether

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they're watching your play or or or even

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just looking at a piece of artwork in

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the louvre and people just stand there

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and just go oh my god you know so i i'm

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the first conversation you and i ever

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had on twitter which was not a dm or

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anything it was just that it was me

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extolling the virtues of you being a

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playwright and how

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because i'm not i'm so not that that i'm

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so impressed with people that can do

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that

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so anyway thanks man well it's the same

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for you know everyone in any

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field they're in or trade they do i i

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find that fascinating and that's kind of

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what i do as a playwright i kind of live

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you know by proxy through these people

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and i'm like oh what's it like to like

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grow up as you know

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a person who builds a house like

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something that i would love to do but

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even wouldn't know where to begin or or

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a scientist like so those are the times

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where i get to sit down be a playwright

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and be like huh what would that be like

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and kind of live through those

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characters so i appreciate that man and

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that can be said for all you guys i know

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um quite a few of you are artists as

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well and that's important art will

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always survive in some form and some

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medium and it's what makes us who we are

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and honestly it outlives all of us and

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that actually makes me

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so

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happy and comforted you know we might

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fear

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not leaving a legacy behind but look

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this stream

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could be

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in the air forever

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and that's crazy for me to think of that

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like these things do cannot live they'll

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be able to contrast the difference in my

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looks to yours which is

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pretty discomforting but anyway let's

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pass it over to akashi chris

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anybody out of my nose i'm kind of

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freaked out because i'm like oh man you

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just brought that up you're right this

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is forever now i'm having like a cindy

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brady moment just first oh no i'm so

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sorry

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it is

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um wow uh but seriously ryan i i love i

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i

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love your podcast for so many reasons

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i'll sit there and i'll listen to it and

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i am enthralled because you take people

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on a journey and and just like right now

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as you're talking about you know really

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learning about the human experiences i

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think that's where

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that's where the meat of this is is how

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did these experiences change the people

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a lot of people that you listen to are

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talking about facts it's like okay what

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did you see at this point in time what

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did it look like draw it that's not your

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approach in i mean i that's part of of

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what i love so um one of the questions i

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have for you as as as you have gone

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through these journeys for these people

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um

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which one touched you the most which one

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changed you know which particular story

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if you could say one changed you

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if you don't mind me asking yeah

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absolutely um

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no

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i there there's been two editions of my

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book there was one in 2016

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and then 2020. um in the 2020 version i

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added more stories i updated the stories

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from the previous book because again

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like it was in print and it's kind of

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immortalized there but the can the

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experiences continue the the implication

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to having these experiences goes on and

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some people even have more

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experiences it's like opened the door

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for them so i wanted to catch up with

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all those people and see hey

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did it happen again or like have your

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thoughts changed on it at all um so that

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was an amazing um i would say luxury and

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opportunity i had with um my new

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publishers beyond the fray and um

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i think for me

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there's there's two stories and i i you

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know all of them are my children that's

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what we learn in playwriting like

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they're all your babies but sometimes

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you have to kill your babies is what i

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was taught in playwriting which is a

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morbid way of thinking about it but it's

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true like you know i i had

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hundreds and hundreds of stories that i

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then had to whittle down to like what

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are the most impactful what are the ones

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i can really bring to people for the

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very first time um and i thought that

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was important too to hear new stories

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and um

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there was one story in both of the

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editions that really sticks with me

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until today and that was a gentleman

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named um scott scott santa he was a um a

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i believe he was in the coast guard and

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you'll have to forgive me i always get

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um the years mixed up with the hundreds

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of people i think this was in

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73 or 74. um he had a

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experience in um cuyahoga falls ohio

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and um i i can go through a quick if you

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guys want me to or i can go right to the

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end it's up to you

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go no no no please okay sure um so yeah

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so scott was um he's with a buddy

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they're like in their i wanna say late

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teens early 20s and they um they're

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going out to a drive-in movie um you

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know for the night just go see like a

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double feature

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and um they pull into this drive-in in

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cuyahoga falls and they're just sitting

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in the parking lot waiting for the movie

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to start it's packed like sold out and

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um

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you know they're kind of just chatting

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back and forth with him and his friend

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and um all of a sudden

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the huge flood lights in this parking

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lot just shut off like all at once and

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it was like everyone was just left in

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pitch black so they're like oh there's a

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little

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yeah they started like honking their

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horns i'm sure some of them started

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toking up like whatever like they're

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probably they're gonna have a good time

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of whatever's going on and then

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all of a sudden over the movie screen

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they could see this like light up here

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behind the movie screen not on the

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screen but behind it and all of a sudden

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over the screen comes this

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craft um

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scott said that it was sleek it was

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glassy it was black

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it was crescent shaped and it was huge

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he said this thing came over the screen

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went over the parking lot and because

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all the lights were off all they could

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see was like the moonlight and the stars

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bouncing off of it so that's how he

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realized it was like slick and classy

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um and he couldn't see the stars behind

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it just you know the reflections and

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he said from i think tip to tip it

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covered the entire parking lot so

551
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,400
whatever this craft was

552
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:43,039
it was freaking huge and it just floated

553
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,039
silently over the parking lot and scott

554
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,720
like tried to start the car he's like

555
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:50,240
we're getting out of here we got to get

556
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,200
out of here

557
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,799
car wouldn't start

558
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,400
so

559
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:56,159
this starts happening to all the cars

560
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:58,000
there people trying to turn them over

561
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,520
and nothing's happening you've got a

562
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,600
classic close encounters of the third

563
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:04,080
kind sort of thing happening um

564
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,440
finally the craft it floats over the

565
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:09,120
parking lot goes off into a field in the

566
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,159
distance

567
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:12,240
and scott and his friend are just

568
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,360
sitting there

569
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,000
and you would think all right that was

570
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,600
crazy let's talk about what just

571
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,720
happened

572
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:20,799
nothing scott just

573
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,480
some for some reason gets out of the car

574
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,960
goes and gets in line at the concession

575
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,280
stand with some other people

576
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,480
gets some popcorn gets back in the car

577
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:34,480
and they watch the double feature like

578
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,760
four hours of movies and nobody there is

579
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,760
talking about what just happened so

580
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,360
everybody just did the same thing they

581
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,039
just started watching the movie like

582
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,360
everything is cool yeah like something

583
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,480
had been turned off in their brains that

584
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,720
whatever just happened no it didn't

585
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,200
happen some sort of like instant amnesia

586
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:54,799
thing and the only reason scott

587
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,679
remembers this is like a few years later

588
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,000
um he saw i believe it was like the

589
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,640
edward rupelt ufo book it had a flying

590
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,720
saucer or some sort of like

591
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,600
crescent-shaped craft in the book and it

592
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,760
triggered his memory and all the

593
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,120
memories just started flooding in of

594
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,360
that night of the craft how big it was

595
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:15,039
it going over there him waiting in line

596
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,400
with people and no one talking about

597
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,720
what the hell just happened um

598
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,760
so

599
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,679
basically him and his friend they go

600
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,679
home he drops his friend off and they

601
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,520
never talk about what happened until

602
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:28,240
years later when these memories came in

603
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,679
so

604
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,000
scott came to me with this story and i'm

605
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:35,200
like that's really interesting but

606
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,799
where's your friend i would love to talk

607
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:39,360
to him and he's like i lost touch i have

608
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,960
no idea how to get in touch with it i'm

609
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:41,919
like

610
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,200
do some digging because i do i want to

611
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:49,600
do my due diligence it's just a story

612
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,559
for me

613
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,039
as mine is to any of you like no one was

614
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:54,720
there when it happened i'm telling you a

615
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,480
story and um i tried my best i went to

616
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,640
all the newspapers at the time nothing

617
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,720
mentioned about some weird ufo over a

618
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,760
drive-in

619
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,919
um i did a bunch of research into the

620
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:07,679
drive-in obviously it's not there

621
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:10,480
anymore um there's very few of those

622
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,279
left

623
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,000
in the country let alone world and uh

624
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,200
nothing i i couldn't find anything and

625
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,880
i was like okay

626
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,720
i believe something happened to you i'm

627
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,559
gonna put it in the book i think it's a

628
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,400
really interesting story especially this

629
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,960
idea of no one talking about it some

630
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,360
sort of like memory

631
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,840
wipe immediately some men in black [\h__\h]

632
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,799
i don't know excuse me sorry crazy

633
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,159
um

634
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,559
and that really affected that really

635
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:41,039
affected him and um i remember there

636
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,240
were times i was on the phone with him

637
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,080
and he was like i mean this is a rough

638
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:46,880
guy like um you know he's been through a

639
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,400
lot in his life and um

640
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,720
almost to tears like telling me i wish

641
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:54,480
there was some way to prove this to you

642
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,520
i like my friends don't believe me like

643
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,360
nobody really believes me because nobody

644
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,039
remembers it happening

645
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,039
and then that really like

646
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,760
ah just it it got to me so

647
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,440
when the first edition of the book came

648
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,760
out i kind of was like waiting you know

649
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,039
it's kind of like fishing you just put

650
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,200
the the bait out there and you hope

651
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,880
someone else will like

652
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,960
you know well nibble on it and be like

653
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,200
oh yeah yeah i was there or like i saw

654
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,240
it nothing nothing nothing and then i

655
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:25,360
remember one day just going through my

656
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,039
gmail trash or like spam folder and

657
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,279
usually it's just you know i blindly

658
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,120
just delete everything

659
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,200
and then the subject line of one hit me

660
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,360
and all i said was drive in movie

661
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,559
theater ufo ohio and i was like

662
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:42,559
whoa what is this so

663
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,679
i click on it and there's this whole

664
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,640
story

665
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:48,000
from this woman

666
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:49,440
named cynthia

667
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,559
who said

668
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,559
i did not live in that town i lived one

669
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:55,760
town over and me and my sister saw that

670
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,360
same exact thing one town over same year

671
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,440
pretty sure it was the same month i just

672
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,840
want this guy to know he's not alone we

673
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:05,919
think we saw this and the other thing

674
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,760
that really hit me was she said her

675
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,000
sister didn't remember seeing it

676
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,880
so she remembered it sister didn't

677
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,320
you've got this same

678
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,640
amnesia thing happening with supposedly

679
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,039
the same craft and when i brought that

680
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,360
to scott he was just like

681
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,080
oh my god this is awesome so i put them

682
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,799
in touch and i'm and all i hope is that

683
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,600
they can find you know similarities and

684
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,080
at least find some sort of um

685
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,640
sense of togetherness and he can now

686
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,640
confide in someone else who said you're

687
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,120
not making it up you're not crazy i saw

688
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,279
that and that story really sticks with

689
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,039
me because that's what i wanted from the

690
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:45,200
very beginning was for people to read

691
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,520
these books and be like oh man i did see

692
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,679
something weird when i was younger i

693
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:53,760
just didn't think anyone would care i

694
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,799
care you guys care we care and we want

695
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,000
to hear your stories because that's

696
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,080
what's going to make this topic

697
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:02,960
everyday conversation over coffee or or

698
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,640
or or scotch in in my world right so

699
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,159
yeah yeah

700
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,200
that one really stuck with me love it

701
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,799
deb did you have a question thank you

702
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,559
thank you

703
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,760
my pleasure my pleasure yes well yes

704
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,520
definitely appreciate the fact that

705
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,039
you're letting people know what's going

706
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:23,679
on um and i think that we need to do

707
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,320
that to normalize the conversation to

708
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,440
make what seems abnormal normal right

709
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,399
um so my question has to do with that

710
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,480
original feeling that you had when you

711
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,320
were younger you said that you were

712
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,880
afraid and that you had nightmares

713
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,799
and i believe that some of the people

714
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:43,679
who experienced some of the the navy

715
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,559
uaps said similar things and we've hear

716
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,480
this from other experiencers that

717
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,200
they're you know they're scared they're

718
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:53,840
um having some ptsd

719
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,960
um so i guess you know i imagine that a

720
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,039
lot of people that you meet have that

721
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,279
and uh i just want to know where you are

722
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,440
with that now if you've if you've come

723
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,360
to a different place with that

724
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,559
after so long of processing

725
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,480
yes so um

726
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,120
in the updated version i did have the

727
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,240
amazing honor and opportunity to um

728
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,159
interview kevin day the chief radar

729
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,880
operator from the nimitz encounter and

730
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,000
um

731
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,720
man like talk about an event affecting

732
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,960
your life like i i can't think of i

733
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,640
couldn't think of a better way to end

734
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,399
the book than with this powerful

735
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,399
testimony by kevin because

736
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,559
that nimitz tic tac event although we're

737
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,520
sick of seeing the photo in the video um

738
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:39,760
that does not strip it of how powerful

739
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,039
it was for these military witnesses who

740
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,240
you know at times we hold up as like the

741
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,520
trained observers and uh the ultimate

742
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,760
credibility of a ufo account which i

743
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,840
understand like why people feel that way

744
00:29:57,149 --> 00:29:55,120
um the same could be said about law

745
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,159
enforcement like these are

746
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,520
detail-oriented individuals who are

747
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,880
trained to

748
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,039
differentiate between things who know

749
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,039
kind of what's going on in the skies or

750
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,120
should know and um

751
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:08,799
but in those moments when they see these

752
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,320
ufos just like the pilots fravor and um

753
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,960
and uh oh gosh

754
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:17,120
she's escaping my memory her name

755
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:18,240
dietrich

756
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,360
it changed them too and they're human

757
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:25,840
beings just like we are in the civilian

758
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,640
world too so like if they

759
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:30,559
can't make sense of what they're seeing

760
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,159
who really can and um kevin was deeply

761
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,320
deeply affected he held that tic tac

762
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,200
event in for so long didn't talk about

763
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:42,320
it um was told not to talk about it and

764
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,279
um

765
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,840
it kind of ruined his life i mean he

766
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,679
flat out told me that he said this [\h__\h]

767
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,600
like completely

768
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,320
ruined my life with my family with my

769
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,000
friends they thought i was crazy they

770
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,159
told me to stop talking about it kevin

771
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:58,559
had very very

772
00:31:03,909 --> 00:30:59,519
um

773
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,919
about what he had seen and dreams of the

774
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,320
world ending and it having to do with

775
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,960
this tic tac and this and that like talk

776
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:10,320
about having

777
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:11,440
after

778
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:15,039
effects or ptsd even um that was his

779
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:16,000
last

780
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,039
station

781
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,000
was before retirement was that damn tic

782
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,480
tac event and if he had just not been

783
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,640
there that day imagine where his life

784
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,399
would have been so i'm sure that ate

785
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,120
away at him for many many years and then

786
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:31,679
the best part of that story that really

787
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,559
um stuck with me is he was working at a

788
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,880
golf course like helping wait tables he

789
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,880
was volunteering to help the golf course

790
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,440
make money um he loved the community

791
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,799
there and wanted to help him out so he

792
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,640
would wait tables every now and then and

793
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:46,720
he's bringing a fish and chips over to a

794
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,159
table he looks up at the news on the tv

795
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,480
and boom there's the tic tac

796
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:55,120
on the television on the news and he

797
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,799
dropped the plate of food on the ground

798
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,799
shattered everywhere and he just

799
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,720
remembers getting on the ground

800
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,399
starting to pick it up and there's just

801
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,559
tears coming out of his eyes he couldn't

802
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,640
believe what he was seeing on television

803
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,480
and people are like helping him pick

804
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:11,120
stuff up and he's just glued to the tv

805
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,399
listening to um commander fravor be like

806
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,519
this happened in 2004 i saw this people

807
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:19,840
on the ground saw this it was real we

808
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,880
don't know what it is and again kevin's

809
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,960
life changed in an instant once he saw

810
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,240
that on tv

811
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,760
floodgates opened

812
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,200
everyone started talking about it

813
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,120
involved with that event and he now knew

814
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,360
he was not alone and that he could talk

815
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:34,799
about it and that he could come forward

816
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,600
with all this so now he's just trying to

817
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,080
make sense of all of it like what pieces

818
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,240
of the puzzle can he put together with

819
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,279
uh gary voorhees or commander fravor or

820
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,559
all these other individuals who have

821
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,000
come forward and were there when it

822
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,480
happened and that's awesome i just think

823
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,519
that's so cool so yeah um kevin is a

824
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,519
prime example i would say as many others

825
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,519
in my book and all over the world having

826
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,240
these experiences where they um they

827
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,880
hold it in so much because of their

828
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,480
they're afraid of what society will

829
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,279
think about them that it

830
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,600
it really does start to change you and

831
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,600
not always in a good way there were

832
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,919
people in the book that turned to drugs

833
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:15,039
that turned to

834
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,399
alcohol that um became very depressed or

835
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:21,120
became you know over-the-top conspiracy

836
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,640
theorists or

837
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,519
or everything in between and um that's

838
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,480
what's crazy i set out to find patterns

839
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,279
in these stories until i realize

840
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,480
it's not worth it like we are creatures

841
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,240
of habit we want to make sense of things

842
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,360
we want patterns but ufos are chaotic

843
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:42,240
they don't give a [\h__\h] about what we

844
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,039
think

845
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,120
where they're landing they don't care

846
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,720
about borders of countries they don't

847
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,679
care about leaders of these countries or

848
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:51,039
nations

849
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,720
don't give enough about nothing and that

850
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,679
like the rebel sort of punk in me from

851
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,559
my early days really appreciates that

852
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,960
that yeah that's my long-winded answer

853
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,120
they don't care where 1600 pennsylvania

854
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:06,640
avenue is um so in my opinion or my

855
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,679
address which is never mind anyway uh

856
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,720
but no i you know i've spoken with gary

857
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,040
uh before he's on the phone

858
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,520
and he's he's public about that he's had

859
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,079
ptsd as a result of this incident while

860
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,679
dave and alex are like oh it's just

861
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,320
another day flying uh well i don't

862
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,720
necessarily believe that but i don't

863
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:28,720
think it's affected their life in the

864
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:31,760
negative way but what i will say um so

865
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,879
ptsd is very real in seeing one of these

866
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,240
for it doesn't matter whether you're

867
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,079
military or civilian you know there are

868
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,560
many many many many many thousands of

869
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:42,159
civilians who have seen something like

870
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,879
this

871
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,119
and it has affect max mccabe our friend

872
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,359
of the show from the uk

873
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,159
um there's no question and i hope that

874
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,560
you do get a chance to speak with max

875
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,800
because his experiences were

876
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:57,280
four or five-fold guys something like

877
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:01,520
that between shadow people and a uh a

878
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,880
cylindrical craft hovering three stories

879
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:06,240
above his house

880
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,119
um

881
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,200
so several incidents happened with him

882
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:10,880
that scared the hell out of him and when

883
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,760
you talk about a rough looking a a guy

884
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,160
uh max is you know it's not the kind of

885
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,720
guy who scares easily and when you see

886
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,800
him you'll say yeah i could believe that

887
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,079
um

888
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,160
that aside you know the the thing i

889
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:26,800
spent the this weekend chatting with

890
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,520
frank from ufo thinker podcast from the

891
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,160
uk and he has done yes to say that he's

892
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,000
done a deep dive

893
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,760
on the tic tac would be a little bit of

894
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,280
an understatement

895
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,440
uh but what

896
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,280
this he says this is the most compelling

897
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,720
case of all time because there's more

898
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,520
evidence that's even available to us

899
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,680
anecdotally than any other case of all

900
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:48,720
time

901
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:52,000
the fact that kevin saw this on a spy

902
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,839
one radar which was the most advanced

903
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:57,760
radar in the world at the time certainly

904
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,720
the the the most advanced seabourn radar

905
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,280
for sure and it probably still is today

906
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,680
with the upgrades they've had since then

907
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,160
that makes it very significant that it's

908
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:10,079
not something that somebody could

909
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,520
imagine they saw because a radar um a

910
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:16,079
phased array radar like the spy one

911
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,470
and sort of the signal processing that

912
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:24,880
comes in in those radar returns off of

913
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,720
the spy one are extremely detailed

914
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,480
and so they saw something there's no

915
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,320
question and in fact even frank pointed

916
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:34,079
out i didn't realize there was a

917
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:35,359
formation

918
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,040
of craft associated with uh tic tac i

919
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,599
was i knew about that that ryan graves

920
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,280
uh talked about that

921
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,599
but then again ryan gr the the the the

922
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,000
craft that ryan graves saw were

923
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,800
uh were were seen on ir but not with the

924
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:52,000
visual eye

925
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,119
whereas

926
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,359
with the tic tac there was vis-obs

927
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,000
visual there was radar and there was

928
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,320
also sensor data backing that up and

929
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,800
then of course lu alludes to geospatial

930
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,720
data that they say they can see a

931
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,200
softball from space so i don't know

932
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:09,680
uh i think we continued on that very

933
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,400
very well it's it's i i do believe him

934
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:14,079
it's very very classified and we'll

935
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:15,040
never

936
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,119
that geospatial data um

937
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:21,119
because if you could get that data and

938
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,400
see it then that means the russians

939
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:23,680
could also get it

940
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:24,000
so

941
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,599
[Laughter]

942
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,400
so that's there was a um an article that

943
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:30,960
came out today i think in the drive

944
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,000
uh where they a satellite photo caught

945
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,359
some new craft out at area 51

946
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,200
and like it looks pretty weird it looks

947
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,839
sick sixth generation and i'm reading

948
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,440
this article and i'm like that's really

949
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:44,720
cool but like

950
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,480
should we be posting this you know

951
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,720
it's like back when you know groom lake

952
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:52,960
was first getting built and and many

953
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,160
years later when like the russians took

954
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,240
photos of it sent it to the united

955
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,599
states and they're like what are you

956
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,079
guys up to what's this base what are you

957
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,119
working on here what type of aircraft is

958
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,280
this i don't really recognize the

959
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,560
signature

960
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,400
oh all right so i always worry with

961
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,320
stuff like that like yes i want to know

962
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,560
what these craft are exotic craft that

963
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,400
are being tested obviously i think it's

964
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,720
just as cool as everyone else does but

965
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,400
at the same time i run into that

966
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,720
struggle as many ufo researchers do of

967
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,359
like i want the truth but

968
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,000
is it going to cost us our national

969
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,960
security and like you know i i i don't

970
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,119
lean either way when it comes to like oh

971
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,599
yeah i'm all in with with military and

972
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,760
i'm also not like you know peace and

973
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,440
love and light like humans are

974
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,480
complicated humans are complex um but i

975
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,200
do find that struggle a lot with like do

976
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,480
i want to know

977
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,079
you know there's always that like catch

978
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,079
22 and like that question ufo

979
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,320
researchers get like if you were given

980
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,760
the opportunity

981
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:55,599
and they were gonna give you all the

982
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,960
answers to everything you've always

983
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,640
wanted to know about ufos

984
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,880
but you can't share it with anybody or

985
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,599
you have to go lie to the ufo community

986
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,040
and tell them this because that has

987
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,800
happened we know that it's been

988
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,040
documented that ufo researchers

989
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,520
disinformed the public and other ufo

990
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:14,400
researchers in order to get a truth

991
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:18,160
from those in power so it's scary man um

992
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:19,839
just such a weird game

993
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,000
and and you see that now in the world

994
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:23,839
with intelligence communities and all

995
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,640
this pentagon task force stuff and i

996
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,800
truly wonder where's it all going and

997
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,040
why why is it happening now i still

998
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,440
don't know well we we i'm we can explore

999
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,079
that during the course of uh and maybe

1000
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,240
some open discussion that we can have

1001
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,040
later on uh but there is a complex and

1002
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,359
scary individual that we have just below

1003
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,320
nathan named kevin flair is kevin who

1004
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,480
probably has a question and then we can

1005
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,560
uh but nathan and i but before we pass

1006
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,280
it to this complex scary person uh rick

1007
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:55,920
dodi told nathan and i that uh he saw

1008
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,880
some stuff that really scared him uh and

1009
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,280
uh rick dodie is not a guy that blinks

1010
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,800
so uh

1011
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:04,000
what do you think of him what do you

1012
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,520
guys think about him

1013
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,760
he's one of those individuals who

1014
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,079
if you watch if you watch the interview

1015
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,160
that we did with him and you saw how we

1016
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,319
introdu and then we had a bunch of

1017
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,720
laughs with him and he and he was very

1018
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,640
comfortable he gave us

1019
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,440
far more than what we were trying to get

1020
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,359
we asked him very straightforward

1021
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,400
questions give us a percentage uh you in

1022
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,160
in your opinion what is the percentage

1023
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,400
that roswell happened he said

1024
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,720
because of videos eight millimeter film

1025
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,520
and still photos i saw 100

1026
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,240
we asked him when he worked in area 51

1027
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,720
tdy a couple times temporary duty

1028
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,880
what's your percentage that there are

1029
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,280
actual craft being held there he said 80

1030
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,760
percent so now my hundred percent looks

1031
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,599
better because he said because i didn't

1032
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,920
see it with my own eyes despite what i

1033
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,000
was being told by others at the facility

1034
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,880
i didn't see it i give it 80 percent

1035
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,599
so

1036
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,160
i found him to be very credible he did

1037
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,480
what his mission was at the time which

1038
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,319
when you sign your name on that dotted

1039
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,560
line you will do you don't have the

1040
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,599
option of saying you know i'm not

1041
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,440
comfortable with this it's like really

1042
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,960
okay bye

1043
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,880
uh court martial time

1044
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,240
so yeah um

1045
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,640
yeah i think um and ryan you you pointed

1046
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,480
out that we are complex right i think

1047
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,160
that that

1048
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,319
we lose sight of that truth

1049
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,800
you know so easily you know we like to

1050
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,240
think things are really

1051
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,560
binary black and white you know you you

1052
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,480
do one thing and that's you for the rest

1053
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,680
of your life

1054
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,359
it's a funny standard that we don't want

1055
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,119
to apply to ourselves

1056
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,560
but we happily apply it to other people

1057
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,079
so i think

1058
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:42,640
you know rick is a complex guy and uh

1059
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,599
he's lived a long very interesting life

1060
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:47,760
and he's in his 70s now teaching you

1061
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,480
know high schoolers i think or college

1062
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,359
yeah you know i mean it's

1063
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,960
he's not you imagine being one of his

1064
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,079
students

1065
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,640
right i mean just like you got into ufos

1066
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,000
and like learning that your like

1067
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,800
professor was part of this crazy

1068
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,920
campaign

1069
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,839
like part of the history you know like

1070
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,160
literally the fabric of ufology you'll

1071
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,079
find rick dodie you know so

1072
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,240
um yeah i found him to be you know just

1073
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,720
fascinating and and um

1074
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,560
and contrite as well you know we did

1075
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,560
talk about you know basically kind of

1076
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:20,160
his role

1077
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:21,200
in

1078
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,119
downstream consequences of

1079
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,200
the things that took place in the 80s

1080
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:28,960
and and before

1081
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,920
and um you know i think he really

1082
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,480
he reflected on that and agreed you know

1083
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,400
there was a lot of work that that has to

1084
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,599
be done

1085
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,359
um

1086
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,160
to regain the trust of of the public

1087
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,560
on this topic and uh it's a really

1088
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,119
unfortunate honestly because uh

1089
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,880
if if the government is picking a time

1090
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,880
to try to come clean with a subject this

1091
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,319
is like the worst time in american

1092
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,880
history it feels like to try to do that

1093
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,200
you know we can't agree on facts you

1094
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,599
know it's tough i i completely agree

1095
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:01,839
with you yes what's happening

1096
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,560
like

1097
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,240
why that that's what i keep asking

1098
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,319
myself why is this happening now and

1099
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,160
you're right like the distrust in

1100
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,880
government uh the distrust in science is

1101
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,280
stronger than it's ever been before and

1102
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,280
it is very black and white like you guys

1103
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,280
mentioned we're not looking at the the

1104
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,880
nuances of the debates and the

1105
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,599
conversations and i fall victim to that

1106
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,280
all the time i'll be the first to admit

1107
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,000
like i've said [\h__\h] online that i regret

1108
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,400
now i've lost friends that i wish i had

1109
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:31,359
just sat down and listened instead of

1110
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,640
blocking or doing this or that and i

1111
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,520
hope

1112
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,720
um

1113
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,280
this is just a

1114
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,280
wound that needs to heal

1115
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,839
and i hope that it gets better um i i

1116
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,760
don't know if it will but you do bring

1117
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,839
up an interesting point like

1118
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,839
okay we're now living in an age where

1119
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,119
the government is

1120
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,960
admitting ufos exist at least here in

1121
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:57,040
the united states and that they don't

1122
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,240
know what they are

1123
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,280
and now we're just supposed to say thank

1124
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:03,920
you finally we're so happy okay so you

1125
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:06,839
got it under control went for 70 plus

1126
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,839
years we haven't trusted them and we

1127
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,359
know that they have covered things up we

1128
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,520
know they have lied and possibly for

1129
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:16,640
good reasons again i can't be the the um

1130
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,599
judge durian executioner on that but um

1131
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,920
end of the day like i i struggle with

1132
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,319
that every single day um

1133
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,920
even with the stuff that lou brings

1134
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,079
forward or right or chris mellon like

1135
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,400
these guys were in these

1136
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,599
machines

1137
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,160
that were keeping the the truth from the

1138
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,640
public in many different ways so we're

1139
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,319
just supposed to believe everything they

1140
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,680
say when they come out

1141
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,359
no and they'll be the first to admit

1142
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,440
that and i actually really respect that

1143
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,640
that they're willing to say don't

1144
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,880
believe me i'm just going to tell you my

1145
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,800
truth and hopefully the truth will

1146
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,480
eventually out and we're going to try to

1147
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,000
make that happen

1148
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,720
ryan is it not the most ironic metaphor

1149
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,000
of all time

1150
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,280
that life is [\h__\h] is shades the truth in

1151
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,079
life is in the gray not in the black or

1152
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,839
the white that's usually where the

1153
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,480
extremist person is it's in the gray and

1154
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,880
in the phenomenon where's the truth

1155
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,119
in the gray and what color are they

1156
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:13,680
they're gray how are you

1157
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,480
it comes up time and time again it is

1158
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,880
grey basket and just to close the door

1159
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,560
on before i hand it over to kevin just

1160
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,480
to close the book on this and i

1161
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,400
and nathan feel free to disagree with me

1162
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,079
on this one i

1163
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,560
rick i would characterize it about the

1164
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,359
70 minute mark or so rick was extremely

1165
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,400
contrite about uh things that that he

1166
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,400
had done and that was not at our urging

1167
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,400
we weren't we weren't looking for

1168
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,400
contrition but that's the type would

1169
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,240
would you agree nathan that's yeah

1170
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,000
completely that's the place that he was

1171
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,400
at in his life and and who among us

1172
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,760
i'm contrite about a lot of things that

1173
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,839
i've done that are stupid so you know

1174
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,160
that i wish i didn't do so

1175
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,400
let's pass it over to somebody who has

1176
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:56,800
no contrition about anything at all and

1177
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:01,359
is not sorry and that is hilarious kevin

1178
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,160
yes

1179
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,440
legend

1180
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,760
you're talking about me i'm so nervous

1181
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,680
kev you don't know what's oh i don't

1182
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,359
know what no one knows nobody knows

1183
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,520
first of all

1184
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,599
you're awesome thank you for for all

1185
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:15,520
your contributions man i i mean i've

1186
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,400
been

1187
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,319
i listened to you first before any of

1188
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,560
these other podcasters came up

1189
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,359
you were first you set the standard man

1190
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,160
it's all you and that alien behind you

1191
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,560
scares the crap out of me

1192
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,920
okay

1193
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,160
i you know i gotta be more careful that

1194
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,839
could be triggering to a lot of people

1195
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,599
who follow my work should i get rid of

1196
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:37,040
it what are you gonna watch no no no no

1197
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,109
keep it man i've got a funny story about

1198
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:45,920
that that's actually that that is a bust

1199
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,800
that i had made from a guy in um in los

1200
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,280
angeles and he is the only commissioned

1201
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,079
sculptor by whitley strieber to make

1202
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,319
these of the alien he

1203
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,640
experienced um during his communion

1204
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,040
events so oh wow

1205
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,000
i was so happy to have it but dude my my

1206
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,319
girlfriend is like get that thing out of

1207
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:08,079
this apartment

1208
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,990
deb would like you to dress them up with

1209
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,760
wigs and glasses i think is that what

1210
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,160
you said yes okay so like that's what

1211
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,960
they did for e.t to kind of make him fit

1212
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,200
in you know just put a wig you know some

1213
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:29,280
sunglasses all right i had are you

1214
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,079
scared

1215
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:31,680
santa claus

1216
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,480
during the holidays yeah

1217
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:36,880
oh it's like alien on the shelf

1218
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,190
right

1219
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,280
there you go if cat kev did you have

1220
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,800
something else you want to torture ryan

1221
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:46,240
about or would you like to i did

1222
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,200
actually

1223
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,680
sir go ahead he said he was scared so

1224
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,839
you know i've got a bit for him first of

1225
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,359
all i got a question this is your

1226
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,160
question so um have you ever done um

1227
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:59,280
written a sci-fi play

1228
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:00,400
yes

1229
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,079
i'll tell you the really brief story um

1230
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,559
their stolen development which is the

1231
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,000
thing you'll hear any playwright always

1232
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:11,440
say it's still in development i'm still

1233
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,630
it's true i mean

1234
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,720
look tony kushner one of the most famous

1235
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,079
pulitzer prize many playwrights in

1236
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,640
history wrote angels in america um to

1237
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,559
find a generation when it came to the

1238
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,599
aids epidemic and um um

1239
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,839
and you know the whole thing with

1240
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,760
homosexuals and everything going on with

1241
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,319
that angels in america was a beautiful

1242
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:36,800
piece of theater um that a lot of people

1243
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,520
say it's written in stone can't change

1244
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,400
um where tony kushner said i'm still

1245
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,720
rewriting it every time i go see it

1246
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,359
somewhere the movie that came out on hbo

1247
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,599
about it i find things that i'm like

1248
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,280
ah i should have thought about that

1249
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,599
before and he rewrites it so i love that

1250
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:55,599
it's always a work in progress um but

1251
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,839
yes i um i met my mentor actually uh ufo

1252
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,480
researcher peter robbins who's actually

1253
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:05,280
also a um yes he's a theater guy here in

1254
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,640
new york as well

1255
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:09,119
um i read his book about the render show

1256
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,319
incident and i was like holy crap i got

1257
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,839
to meet this guy because i saw in his

1258
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,440
bio he was in new york

1259
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,280
we met for coffee at a diner in

1260
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,760
manhattan and struck up a friendship

1261
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,720
immediately and i told him look i'm

1262
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,079
interested in

1263
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,240
your book and hearing about ufos but

1264
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:27,920
honestly men i want to write a play

1265
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,559
about the rendershim forest incident and

1266
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,400
he was just so touched by that i wanted

1267
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,559
to write it through his eyes um as a

1268
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,040
researcher blah blah blah um so i have

1269
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,559
been working on that play for a very

1270
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,880
long time as you guys know the render

1271
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,319
shim forest incident is very

1272
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:45,119
controversial some people

1273
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,000
were

1274
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,160
had this experience this guy had another

1275
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,720
this woman had this um this guy was

1276
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,760
lying like it's so messy and chaotic

1277
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,520
which a lot of these mass ufo sightings

1278
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,800
can be especially military ones um we've

1279
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,160
seen that with a tic tac one as well

1280
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:01,599
some people being like uh he wasn't

1281
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,470
but

1282
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,440
um so i am still working on that play

1283
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,680
but i did write a short version a

1284
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,760
one-man play about one of those

1285
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:15,920
witnesses um i created him he was an

1286
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,839
amalgamation of a lot of the different

1287
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:19,920
witnesses of that event and i wrote it

1288
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,400
into a 10-minute play um i premiered it

1289
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,200
on halloween here in new york city and

1290
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,839
um people loved it they absolutely loved

1291
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,520
it they're like dude you got to keep

1292
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,839
doing this and i was like whoa okay i

1293
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,240
found a way to mix my playwriting world

1294
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,400
with my ufo world other than you know

1295
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,160
like i said earlier focusing on

1296
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,160
characters blah blah blah now i can

1297
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,319
actually put ufos on the stage and know

1298
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,440
that people want to see it so yeah right

1299
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,000
okay well i've got actually i've got i

1300
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,640
did a few um i did some

1301
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,280
merging myself with you know musicals

1302
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,079
and ufos so maybe maybe i can give you

1303
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,920
some ideas for some title names if you

1304
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,079
would like to see what i got

1305
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,119
please please please oh the video um

1306
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,200
nathan do you have it going i'm ready to

1307
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,599
go let's do it all right thank you sir

1308
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,599
oh my gosh all right so

1309
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,520
there's our little entrance here you

1310
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,079
know like all stage plays

1311
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,760
isn't that flashy

1312
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,680
okay so the first one is mick west side

1313
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,359
story

1314
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,040
okay

1315
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:23,920
all right here here we go yeah

1316
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,640
bam mcwest doing his thing

1317
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:29,680
all right yeah oh yeah what happened

1318
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,240
oh and then we got lou miserable

1319
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,559
that's luella

1320
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,720
okay oh my god oh look at me look at

1321
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,160
luke

1322
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:42,069
cool

1323
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:48,950
that's your little gray alien yeah look

1324
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,920
at that oh my god [\h__\h] you're you're

1325
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,000
siding in the style here's the dentist

1326
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,000
sort of

1327
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,760
we don't know what he was going to do he

1328
00:52:03,030 --> 00:51:59,760
could have been an alien

1329
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,040
oh oh and then the drifter of oz

1330
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,640
and i don't know who that person might

1331
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:05,599
be i

1332
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,630
you're not gonna hear me talking too

1333
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,559
much crap about mr greer

1334
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,040
oh yeah

1335
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:17,599
oh my god there we go

1336
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,589
all right i can't even remember what i

1337
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,920
was going to ask you after that i am

1338
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,800
stealing all of this oh

1339
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,040
those are yours hello

1340
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,440
thanks brother that was so oh that made

1341
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:36,640
my night

1342
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:37,839
oh i'm glad

1343
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,160
i'm glad actually i do have a question

1344
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,720
now uh ryan but it's not for you it's

1345
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:44,960
it's it's for my co-pilot my co-host

1346
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:47,839
nathan sweet it's a serious question so

1347
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,440
i'm going to put my serious face on okay

1348
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:53,520
nathan

1349
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,430
and by the way my next question for ryan

1350
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,280
is gonna be when he said an amalgamation

1351
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,280
of characters i'm gonna ask him to

1352
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:04,880
imagine what the five of these

1353
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,359
characters to your left would look like

1354
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,119
if you made us into one character and

1355
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:11,440
sound and act like but that's for later

1356
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,079
okay for right now

1357
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,920
uh michaels

1358
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:17,200
nathan

1359
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,760
uh hybridization we talk about lou's

1360
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,920
theory uh there are several others

1361
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:26,800
michael masters so on and so forth

1362
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,160
um i wonder if you would be comfortable

1363
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:33,599
discussing the fact that it's possible

1364
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,800
is it possible that biological material

1365
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:38,319
was taken

1366
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,839
from dr j allen heineck and that you may

1367
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,760
have resulted

1368
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,800
in that

1369
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,960
uh the reimagining of that biological

1370
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,720
material

1371
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,280
i see it

1372
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:53,520
it's making sense now

1373
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,390
dude you guys are like improv like you

1374
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,079
threw the ball in the air and he caught

1375
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,240
it that was amazing nathan do you want

1376
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,240
to discuss this at all yeah are you

1377
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,960
willing to comment

1378
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,400
i just need to have a talk with my mom i

1379
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,240
guess

1380
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:14,400
nathan do you have any coupons

1381
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,069
yeah oh yeah i haven't checked maybe i

1382
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,720
do oh yeah you'll you'll love this ryan

1383
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,359
on our group chat flare's like um hey

1384
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:26,880
guys

1385
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,240
um i have a scoop mark on my hip that it

1386
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:32,000
looks like something may have been

1387
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,359
scooped out i don't know where it came

1388
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,599
from and you know what i gotta go so

1389
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,880
i'll talk to you guys in like a day and

1390
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,520
a half bye

1391
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,480
i took the picture first i'm like kevin

1392
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,520
kevin master of kevin it's right there

1393
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,520
yes everything okay kevin

1394
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,680
that's how you leave an impression bomb

1395
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,799
and left

1396
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,680
yeah i'm okay guys i'm okay he's okay

1397
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,240
he's back with us

1398
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,680
all right it's dempster we gotta let

1399
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,680
them have a shot at ryan man go ahead

1400
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,640
for a debs our researcher

1401
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:04,960
you can't see but i was laughing into

1402
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,000
tears but i don't

1403
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,319
i i guess that i was just gonna um bring

1404
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,280
up when we were talking about um these

1405
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,200
experiences and what they've gone

1406
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:17,119
through just try to bring up again

1407
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,839
because you know my background

1408
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,119
psychology i'm really interested in

1409
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:23,920
getting help for people um i was gonna

1410
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,960
mention that there was opus um and

1411
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,799
that's opus

1412
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,520
the experiencer group which is fantastic

1413
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,160
that people can access through twitter

1414
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,359
um there is also a mufon experience for

1415
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,799
support group

1416
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,960
and ryan did you did you know of others

1417
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:43,280
that you could share about

1418
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,240
um

1419
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:47,440
yes so you know in my research i did

1420
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,640
reach out to

1421
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,480
different support groups when it came to

1422
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,640
my book they were very

1423
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,559
kind to help me and direct me towards

1424
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,319
some people who might want to go public

1425
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:58,319
and whatnot so i worked very closely

1426
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,280
with these support groups and kind of um

1427
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,319
the the individual and been like okay

1428
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,319
like let's work through this they

1429
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,520
realize their name is going to be out

1430
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,520
there forever there's no going back the

1431
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,760
public's now going to know about this um

1432
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,359
and i wanted to do that i wanted there

1433
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,200
to be a mediator between me and the

1434
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,960
experiencer to be like because they

1435
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:19,200
trust them they have told them the most

1436
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,200
intimate um most bizarre uh stories that

1437
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,119
have happened to them um and then here i

1438
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,720
come along being like let's put it in a

1439
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,400
book um

1440
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,319
and that that pisses me off more than

1441
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:33,200
anything guys to be honest and i get i i

1442
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,480
was just talking to my girlfriend about

1443
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,119
this today so i won't say which company

1444
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,599
but there's a major

1445
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,680
major film company

1446
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,000
with an individual who has made some of

1447
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,319
our most beloved movies about aliens in

1448
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,400
the past i'm not going to say who it was

1449
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,520
but his company reached out to me and um

1450
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,760
they found my work through somewhere in

1451
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,440
the skies and they read the book and

1452
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,880
they're like we would love to talk to

1453
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,280
some of these individuals like can can

1454
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,680
you like get get us in touch with them

1455
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,160
and i was like yeah hold on like it took

1456
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,319
me years to get this person to come

1457
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,960
forward and talk about this like um

1458
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,119
let's work on that so i did i did i

1459
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,920
worked with these people and um i helped

1460
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,000
them along the way and and the

1461
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,559
individuals who decided to become a part

1462
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,400
of this project they trusted me at this

1463
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,240
point um to now be a part of that

1464
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,559
project and who knows what it's going to

1465
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:27,280
become if it'll actually be made um but

1466
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,400
this happens in hollywood specifically a

1467
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:32,240
lot is these people will reach out to

1468
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,520
ufo researchers or experiencers and all

1469
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,359
they want is your story

1470
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,359
and i i can tell you after sharing what

1471
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,520
i did with these individuals i haven't

1472
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:43,599
heard from them since and they haven't

1473
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,160
contacted me nothing and you see this a

1474
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,119
lot where you know they want to exploit

1475
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,880
these stories for entertainment and

1476
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:53,200
that's unfortunate it really really is i

1477
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,880
wish it wasn't that way

1478
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,960
but that's how entertainment works but

1479
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,720
these are people's lives these are

1480
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,400
individuals who have had very traumatic

1481
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,160
experiences and what light you paint

1482
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:03,680
them in could follow them for the rest

1483
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:06,880
of their lives so i sincerely hope this

1484
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,599
project shows them in a good light and

1485
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,319
shows the human side of this that these

1486
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,240
are normal people these are not fantasy

1487
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,720
prone people these are not people um

1488
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:18,480
making [\h__\h] up to the best of my

1489
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,760
knowledge um these are not um

1490
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:24,160
uh depressed or um

1491
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,440
you know

1492
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,000
it people with mental issues these are

1493
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:30,160
people who had an experience they don't

1494
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,280
know what it is and they just want to

1495
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:33,520
find out what it was something happened

1496
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,559
um wow wow that was a diatribe yes there

1497
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,559
are other groups out there that i have

1498
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,799
personally worked with um one individual

1499
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,640
who i can recommend is one of the nicest

1500
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:44,880
people i've ever met is uh kathleen

1501
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:48,240
martin the niece of um uh betty hill

1502
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,079
from the famous hill abduction yes

1503
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,000
so she is just

1504
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,920
um one of the kindest sweetest most

1505
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,839
understanding people i've ever met she

1506
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,240
works directly with experiencers in fact

1507
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,920
i just featured on summer in the sky is

1508
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,760
an episode about one of the people in

1509
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,160
her book denny stoner who has had

1510
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:08,480
abduction experiences ever since she was

1511
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:11,359
three years old up until today

1512
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:12,559
and um

1513
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,920
kathleen is just such a gem um anyone

1514
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,079
who asks me who can i turn to who i can

1515
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,240
trust who's not going to lead me in a

1516
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,319
hypnosis session who doesn't have

1517
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:24,480
ulterior motives and just wants me to

1518
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,680
say it's aliens because i don't know

1519
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:27,359
that and a lot of these experiences

1520
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,079
don't claim that it was aliens um when

1521
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:32,000
it comes to these abduction experiences

1522
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,760
um and kathleen is one of those people

1523
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:35,440
so i would definitely direct people to

1524
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:36,240
her

1525
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,000
organization um forgive me i don't know

1526
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,839
what the the acronym stands for but

1527
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:46,720
they're another really good responsible

1528
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,280
uh understanding group of individuals

1529
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,079
who will if anything hear your story and

1530
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,920
sometimes that's enough closure for some

1531
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,750
i will say that just in my experience

1532
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:02,640
and i'm not nearly as far in as you are

1533
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,160
but you know i have gone pretty deep uh

1534
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:08,160
a lot of people want to come and talk

1535
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,000
and like getting that exposure is really

1536
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,000
helping them and

1537
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:14,319
it's they're not afraid right now right

1538
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,839
now they're not afraid to give their

1539
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:18,400
real names they want people to know

1540
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,839
they want to know this is something

1541
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,599
that's happening and something they're

1542
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,000
dealing with and there have been studies

1543
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:26,160
that have shown that this is happening

1544
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,160
to people who prior to their experience

1545
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,720
did not have mental health issues and

1546
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,799
then of course afterwards

1547
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:37,440
do sometimes as a result

1548
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,400
so

1549
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:40,960
um but you know i just had one really

1550
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:43,359
important thing i had to ask you before

1551
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,319
uh we turned over to other questions and

1552
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:48,319
i know we had some in the chat

1553
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,319
what what's the deal with the jackalope

1554
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,280
oh my gosh is he not oh i moved in oh

1555
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,040
he's over my team he i'm moving

1556
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:58,720
throughout the room to just keep things

1557
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,920
interesting

1558
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:02,400
in in our tiny walk-in closet apartments

1559
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,520
in new york um so i have a jackalope on

1560
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,119
my wall right now do you want me to grab

1561
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,880
it i can grab it quick

1562
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:11,520
yeah i just needed to know like i i was

1563
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,430
yeah after that yeah chris if you want

1564
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,359
to go next and then we could

1565
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:21,119
chris you go next and then if nathan do

1566
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,000
you want to

1567
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:23,920
have open discussion after that here he

1568
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,119
is oh my gosh i just needed to know

1569
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,440
jackie jackie

1570
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:31,119
wow

1571
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:32,559
hi jeff way bigger than i thought it

1572
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:33,920
would be that's an exactly

1573
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,319
yeah this dude in texas makes these

1574
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:38,400
forgive me i live next to um a police

1575
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,760
station here you're gonna hear more

1576
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,480
sirens it's new york um new york yeah so

1577
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,880
this dude in texas he finds roadkill so

1578
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,319
it's not like he's hunting these things

1579
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,119
and making them um he will find animals

1580
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:51,359
that are deceased and he will make these

1581
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,480
things out of them you know um and hey

1582
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,799
it's amazing i love it i absolutely love

1583
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,880
it so wow you know i'm all about

1584
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:00,880
recycling and if we can even recycle

1585
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,480
life um i think we should

1586
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,960
that's the story about jackie

1587
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:08,640
it's funny though because i i would say

1588
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,039
that that's scarier to me than than

1589
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,119
alien

1590
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,359
deb let me just say this deb you cannot

1591
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,200
get abducted you have kids that need to

1592
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,520
be taken care of so you've got to think

1593
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,039
about who's going to feed them tonight

1594
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,520
if you get abducted

1595
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,280
i'd be more afraid of the jackalope i'm

1596
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:27,280
good

1597
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:28,799
i don't know i can only have one in the

1598
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,910
that i just want to say real quick ryan

1599
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:35,760
that that the voice you're hearing the

1600
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,079
avatar that is the host of deb's data

1601
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,559
dojo she is on our sort of podcast

1602
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,319
network if you will and uh don't be

1603
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:44,799
surprised if you receive a dm from her

1604
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:47,440
to come on your show she's a fantastic

1605
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,400
interviewer

1606
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:51,680
uh she has picked this up quicker than

1607
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:53,920
i could have imagined she's amazing uh

1608
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:56,160
but with that our lovely

1609
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:59,520
associate producer also from texas home

1610
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,240
of

1611
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,119
jackalope roadkill akashi chris

1612
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:05,599
tackle up roadkill that i'm i'm gonna

1613
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,200
have to take it away chris stop yeah

1614
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,920
when i'm in road trips now i know i can

1615
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,119
recycle

1616
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:15,359
yeah yeah so um

1617
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,720
so ryan ancient aliens talk about

1618
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,119
hollywood

1619
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,720
aliens are you gonna become like a

1620
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,720
regular are we gonna see you all the

1621
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:26,480
time what's the deal there

1622
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,799
you did it by the way i saw this the

1623
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,720
first uh episode of the season i was

1624
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:33,119
like i'm so excited you know sometimes

1625
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,480
they do an amazing job um look like i

1626
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,319
know not everyone watches ancient aliens

1627
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:40,400
they're not fans i get it i totally get

1628
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,400
it um but holy crap this season they

1629
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:47,039
came out swinging with that um premiere

1630
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,799
episode kind of catching us all up on

1631
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,559
everything that's happened in the past

1632
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,039
few years and they got some like

1633
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,039
prominent people in there i mean you had

1634
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,039
george knapp you had um

1635
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:58,960
uh the representatives there were a few

1636
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:01,680
of them in the episode um i i was very

1637
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,200
impressed and then this past week we did

1638
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:05,520
an episode about world governments and

1639
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,400
their

1640
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:09,039
looks into ufos and programs so we

1641
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:12,400
covered france japan china um

1642
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,160
australia a couple others too and um i

1643
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,240
was just watching the episode you know

1644
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,920
of course if you're on tv you're like oh

1645
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:22,160
where when do i show up i didn't give a

1646
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:25,280
crap i was like so enthralled by by the

1647
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:26,640
work they did on those i was very

1648
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,920
impressed um so yes um

1649
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,599
a few years ago i was approached by

1650
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,440
ancient aliens um

1651
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,599
to work with them on another project

1652
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:37,839
they wanted to make kind of a um

1653
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:38,480
a

1654
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:46,880
we've uh brought to you throughout the

1655
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:49,440
years but let's put our feet on the

1656
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,200
ground boots on the ground get out there

1657
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:53,039
and investigate and you do sort of see

1658
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,640
that in some of the ancient aliens

1659
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:56,799
episodes now they do go to these areas

1660
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,480
interview people um so i feel like

1661
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:00,880
that's what it became but at the time i

1662
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,599
was in los angeles talking to the

1663
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,240
company and and and with uh giorgio

1664
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:08,480
suclose we became pretty good friends at

1665
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,440
that point and um he's he's an awesome

1666
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,960
dude by the way one of the most

1667
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,799
down-to-earth guys

1668
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,520
oh my god yeah he's kind of like have

1669
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:20,079
you noticed he's tamed it down now it's

1670
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,760
like it's it went up to here and now

1671
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,520
it's like back down to here yeah what

1672
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:25,359
happened

1673
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:27,039
you know

1674
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:28,640
nathan he can't get away from the hair

1675
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,760
talk baby

1676
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,280
gravity

1677
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:33,599
it's graphic

1678
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,400
but yeah so um you know that project

1679
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:38,319
unfortunately did not come to fruition

1680
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:41,520
the the um the head the president of the

1681
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,880
company that makes ancient aliens

1682
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:45,119
unfortunately passed away a few months

1683
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:47,920
after we started working on the show and

1684
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,039
um

1685
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,200
this happens once once the person who is

1686
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:53,839
really you know rooting for the thing to

1687
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,400
go through um is no longer here like

1688
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,240
it's up to the next in line to decide

1689
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,240
what to do and they they passed on the

1690
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:02,799
project at the time but they said hey we

1691
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,119
we love what you're doing like we love

1692
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,160
your your passion and and and your

1693
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:10,160
insights on this like if anything ever

1694
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:11,119
comes

1695
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:14,960
um and i never expected to hear from him

1696
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:17,599
again as you do in hollywood a lot and i

1697
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:20,079
moved on with my life and then i

1698
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:21,280
remember

1699
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,160
um

1700
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:23,760
it was halfway through the lockdowns

1701
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:26,720
during the pandemic and i was just so

1702
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:27,520
like

1703
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:32,319
every week which is my my baby my love i

1704
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,440
love doing it but like i just felt so

1705
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,920
useless in my other life my personal

1706
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:40,319
life i wasn't really doing anything and

1707
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,079
i know a lot of people

1708
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:43,839
suffered that during this pandemic and

1709
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:45,920
still are um so i know a lot of people

1710
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,240
can relate and i got a phone call one

1711
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:49,760
day and they were like

1712
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:51,280
hey we're doing an episode all about the

1713
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:52,880
pentagon stuff you want to be in it and

1714
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,599
i was like oh my god that's awesome yes

1715
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:57,440
and like it just it meant the world to

1716
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:59,039
me that like they reached out at a time

1717
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:00,720
in my life where i just needed someone

1718
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:03,920
to be like we care about ufos like we

1719
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,640
want to put this in a serious light that

1720
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,160
you know because a lot of ancient aliens

1721
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,680
is pretty out there let's be completely

1722
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:11,920
honest um they come to some very

1723
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,880
wacky

1724
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,559
um i don't want to say conclusions

1725
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:16,720
because they they do speculate and they

1726
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,599
theorize um that is kind of their their

1727
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,359
joke motto like

1728
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,839
theorize or could it be you know that's

1729
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,079
kind of their big thing um

1730
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,000
but they went all out and i was so

1731
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:30,720
impressed and um after those couple

1732
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,039
episodes came out they um they contacted

1733
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:35,520
me again um and said we'd love to have

1734
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,119
you back so i have since filmed i think

1735
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,359
four or five more episodes

1736
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:44,000
um i knew it i knew i don't know what's

1737
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:45,680
going to happen after that

1738
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:46,799
i was

1739
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,079
even you know for the brief moments i

1740
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:54,480
was in it i was just so like touched

1741
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:57,039
that they would um trust me with that

1742
01:08:02,870 --> 01:07:57,839
and

1743
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,880
who wouldn't trust a face like this

1744
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:03,599
and

1745
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,359
sense yeah can i get an amen you've

1746
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:09,119
already made a segway for us because

1747
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:10,880
we're about to speculate and theorize

1748
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,440
because we only have you for about 21

1749
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,039
more minutes before we have to get you

1750
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,839
out of here oh god

1751
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:19,920
yeah yes so let me let let me pass it

1752
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,400
over to money nathan so we can speculate

1753
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,080
we can theorize and we can get inside

1754
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:26,799
this dome see what's what's going down

1755
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:27,679
yeah

1756
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,839
no rush guys to be completely honest

1757
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,400
okay no rush okay okay okay cool i

1758
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:33,839
appreciate that yeah so let me ask you a

1759
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,839
question i we asked uh tj allard

1760
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:39,440
um so shout out to uh secretive

1761
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:42,159
skinwalker ranch dj what's up

1762
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,719
big fan of that great great what's up

1763
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:46,000
man seriously

1764
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,600
um so you know as esten his perspective

1765
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,839
as an artist as a producer you know when

1766
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:53,520
you're doing a show

1767
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:54,640
and you know you're familiar with this

1768
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,839
as a playwright you know you're trying

1769
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,520
to take the audience in a certain

1770
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,159
direction you want them to go through

1771
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,640
a transformation as you mentioned the

1772
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,640
characters transform but the audience

1773
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,480
you you want them to have a specific

1774
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,560
experience if you've done your job then

1775
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:10,719
then they you get them there you know

1776
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:13,679
so if you

1777
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,159
look at the phenomenon from that lens of

1778
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,480
an artist and the playwright and

1779
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:20,159
someone creating that material what is

1780
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:26,149
i think

1781
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,839
it really comes down to

1782
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,600
some of the most profound questions

1783
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,839
every human has ever asked in their

1784
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:36,000
lifetime and that's what i kind of go

1785
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,600
into every project that i do whether

1786
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:38,880
it's film or

1787
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:42,880
television or movies is um or books is

1788
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:45,679
trying to make sense of why we're here

1789
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,560
and um what happens after again you

1790
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,799
always hear that cliche of like two

1791
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,239
major questions

1792
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:54,560
what happens when we die and is there

1793
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,440
other life out there and what i think is

1794
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:59,040
so

1795
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,400
incredible

1796
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,320
is that because of what's going on in

1797
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,560
the world today because of the giant

1798
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,719
leaps we're making with like the james

1799
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,280
webb telescope or the galileo project or

1800
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:11,760
just the way private space exploration

1801
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,400
is playing out right now um

1802
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:16,480
i think we might get that answer in our

1803
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,520
lifetime i i truly believe that whether

1804
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,239
it's like again microbial life or

1805
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:25,120
intelligent life um many believe it's

1806
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:26,719
already happened and they have visited

1807
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,280
us and again i wasn't there when these

1808
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:31,440
people saw these things um

1809
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:32,320
um

1810
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,640
i think the story that's playing out for

1811
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,719
me in the way i want to convey that to

1812
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:42,960
the public and the different mediums of

1813
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,840
art i use is um

1814
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:47,120
why

1815
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,000
in this life

1816
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:52,719
is it about finding answers to what life

1817
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,760
is or isn't it are we just supposed to

1818
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,120
experience it

1819
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,520
learn from it and take it to wherever we

1820
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:01,679
go next whether you believe in

1821
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:05,199
an afterlife or or another plane or you

1822
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:06,480
know for me

1823
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:07,600
um

1824
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,960
i love this idea of like what you guys

1825
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,280
have looked into consciousness when you

1826
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:15,280
think about what that could be

1827
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:16,480
consciousness

1828
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,600
um

1829
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,920
it gives me so much comfort to think

1830
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:21,520
that there is this

1831
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:24,480
disconnected thing um whether it's a

1832
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:28,080
physical thing or a thought form or um

1833
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,040
something

1834
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,120
that we have to quantumly untangle for

1835
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:33,760
the rest of human existence

1836
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:36,480
the fact that like once we leave these

1837
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,679
weird shells we're in um

1838
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,760
that there is something next that death

1839
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:43,360
is only the beginning that there's going

1840
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:46,719
to be another chapter some way somehow

1841
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,719
and maybe whatever these ufos represent

1842
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,880
maybe that's what it is maybe when we

1843
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,280
finally leave these things and go

1844
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:56,880
somewhere else whether it's just our

1845
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,280
mind or if you believe in the soul or

1846
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,040
just pure energy

1847
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,360
maybe we are getting those answers and i

1848
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,880
love that whenever i see a ufo

1849
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,960
researcher pass away without having

1850
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,480
found those answers yet

1851
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,640
i take comfort in knowing that they've

1852
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:12,000
got them now

1853
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,679
maybe maybe

1854
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,760
um or is it going to be another

1855
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,760
you know place where they have to then

1856
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:19,920
find the truth to that i don't know but

1857
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,880
i love the concept of like

1858
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:24,960
no journey is ever complete like there

1859
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,199
really is no final destination not not

1860
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,960
for me i i don't think i'm ever gonna

1861
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,280
know what ufos are i'm being completely

1862
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,360
honest with you guys um and i'm okay

1863
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,480
with that i love the people i've met i

1864
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,800
love the stories i've heard i love the

1865
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,719
friendships and relationships i've made

1866
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,159
through that um

1867
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,400
you guys included like we would not be

1868
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,280
here having this conversation right now

1869
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:50,320
it wasn't for ufos in the phenomenon and

1870
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,360
that's amazing because now i get to see

1871
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:54,719
and i'm not just sucking up because i'm

1872
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:56,880
on your show i would not get get to see

1873
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:59,440
all your beautiful faces

1874
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,080
i didn't see it i did see you as well

1875
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:04,159
you are you are loved here i told you we

1876
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:05,600
were going to shower you with love

1877
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,719
affection and and humor and so far we've

1878
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:10,239
i think we've been successful it's the

1879
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,520
only reason i'm here

1880
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:13,679
now now give me the hardball questions

1881
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:14,400
no

1882
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:22,800
play gotcha um we're just here to try to

1883
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,280
explore the phenomenon through the eyes

1884
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:28,320
of other indiv oh my cat has decided

1885
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,360
bella

1886
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,400
stop acting up be on the show but i do

1887
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:34,560
have a hard question are you ready for

1888
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:37,280
it wait wait help man hold up damn i'm

1889
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,830
but but we are

1890
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,679
you know we're trying to explore the

1891
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:46,000
topic through the eyes of people and

1892
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,440
then through ourselves because we'll

1893
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,199
talk like during the week we talked to

1894
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:51,679
james you know we'll go and uh uh nate

1895
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,480
i'll talk to exo on dm or james on dm or

1896
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:55,920
we'll get together and try to figure out

1897
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:58,080
what's going on and this notion you know

1898
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,440
i think it was sir isaac newton that

1899
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:01,679
said energy can neither be created nor

1900
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:02,800
destroyed

1901
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,520
which and now people on this as a result

1902
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,040
of this community something i wouldn't

1903
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,199
have even considered until meeting all

1904
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,320
these people uh these friends as you've

1905
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,880
described them have have opened my mind

1906
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:16,960
to all these other possibilities that

1907
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:19,840
this consciousness uh perhaps is going

1908
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,120
to live on

1909
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,600
that it will leave this body

1910
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:25,679
and and nathan nathan will describe to

1911
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,239
you how it's it's the brain is you know

1912
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,159
is it it's not the brain

1913
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,080
it's it's not the right right but but

1914
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:33,920
but this notion of consciousness how do

1915
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,239
you so you've kind of

1916
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:38,320
you know described how you feel about it

1917
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:41,199
that it it will live on and that stanton

1918
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:44,080
friedman right now might be like going

1919
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:52,310
open the spam folder on your gmail i i

1920
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:53,760
sent you something

1921
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:02,950
hey man we're all going to be there

1922
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,640
nobody gets out of here

1923
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,560
what you got oh and i was totally

1924
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,000
kidding i just wanted to know what your

1925
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:10,560
favorite musical was on broadway because

1926
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,000
i'm a big fan i was totally kidding

1927
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:16,640
nice okay i got i think it's really hard

1928
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:18,880
and difficult for you

1929
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:19,840
yeah

1930
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:22,840
it's hard it's hard um okay musical

1931
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,840
right okay um

1932
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,040
so

1933
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:30,159
i think for me the the musical that got

1934
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,239
me into theater was rent um you know mid

1935
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,120
90s rock musical one of the first of its

1936
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:39,520
kind um you know hair came before that

1937
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:42,400
which was kind of yes the inspiration

1938
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:45,840
i love that yeah for rent um i remember

1939
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:46,880
i was

1940
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:51,679
hated theater um you know kind of as a

1941
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:54,320
kid i thought it was again it was for

1942
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:56,960
girls it was for um you know people who

1943
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,719
were artsy fartsy and here i was trying

1944
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:00,960
to throw like an 80 mile per hour pitch

1945
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:03,840
in like little league and i remember

1946
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:06,560
my mom got me tickets to see rent in my

1947
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:10,159
hometown of syracuse new york and um

1948
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:11,679
i was like i don't want to see this what

1949
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,320
is this crap and i just remember

1950
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:16,320
um the musical starting and i think the

1951
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:17,679
only musical i'd ever seen before that

1952
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,360
was like phantom of the opera and i fell

1953
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,920
asleep like 10 times um

1954
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:23,600
which is funny because i now work at

1955
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,920
phantom of the opera which is like full

1956
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:27,520
circle um

1957
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,320
but

1958
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:29,920
rent was the one to do it once those

1959
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,640
first guitar riffs came in in a musical

1960
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,480
in a broadway musical

1961
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:36,480
i just remember like

1962
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:39,280
sitting up in my chair and like almost

1963
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,600
on like the the shoulder of the person

1964
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:43,360
in front of me being like i didn't know

1965
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:45,760
theater could be this what this is so

1966
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,320
cool like there's electric guitars in in

1967
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,320
musical theater and then they're

1968
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:53,199
swearing you know and there's um

1969
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:54,880
you know all these different plot lines

1970
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:57,520
going on about different types of people

1971
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,280
in different situations living in new

1972
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:01,280
york city back in the in the 90s and i

1973
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:04,000
was just like wow this is so cool and i

1974
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,360
just remember leaving that day being

1975
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,360
like maybe i could

1976
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,600
like this theater thing maybe i could

1977
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,800
and um

1978
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,880
yeah yeah so rent was it for me that was

1979
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,520
my gateway drug into musical theater and

1980
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,360
um i do have a special place in my heart

1981
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,679
for like the classics like phantom of

1982
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,800
the opera and the music man and and

1983
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,880
stuff like that but i love these new

1984
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:26,560
shows that really shake things up and

1985
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:28,640
there's a few of them on broadway even

1986
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:29,840
right now there's a show called

1987
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:33,520
hadestown um which is really cool um

1988
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:36,000
hamilton obviously took the world by

1989
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:36,960
storm

1990
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,280
um and i had the honor and pleasure of

1991
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:42,000
working for lin manuel uh the creator of

1992
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:45,040
hamilton um on his previous show in the

1993
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,480
heights which ran in new york for like

1994
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:48,640
three years and i worked the entire run

1995
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,679
of that show in the theater and um

1996
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:53,840
and again anyone who's willing to take a

1997
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,120
chance and put something out there

1998
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:57,040
that's never been done especially in

1999
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:59,440
commercial theater which broadway is uh

2000
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,120
i think is awesome because what better

2001
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:03,600
way to get it out to the masses than

2002
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:06,560
through a 1500 seat theater that's like

2003
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:09,040
sold out every night of the week eight

2004
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,440
shows a week how many minds and hearts

2005
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,520
you're touching with that just is

2006
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,840
astounding to me so you want to hear

2007
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:17,199
something cool

2008
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:19,360
i i went to high school with the person

2009
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:21,280
who directed hades town and got all

2010
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:22,719
those awards

2011
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,440
yes that's rachel that's amazing small

2012
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:30,480
world it really is

2013
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,920
yeah for me that that uh film adaptation

2014
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,199
of hair

2015
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,000
when they're in central park and you see

2016
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,080
them they're playing the age of aquarius

2017
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:42,480
and you see them skipping down that hill

2018
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,120
and doing these beautiful soft tumbles

2019
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,120
into these sort of balletic

2020
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,920
uh uh leaps if you will and forgive me

2021
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,159
i'm i don't know anything about theater

2022
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,080
but that's what kind of sold me on on

2023
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:57,360
musicals was was uh seeing that the film

2024
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,960
adaptation of hair and the only other

2025
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:00,719
thing i think i've seen on broadway was

2026
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:03,440
beatlemania so that's going way way back

2027
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:06,480
nice yeah love it love it

2028
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:08,719
helter skelter baby yeah

2029
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:11,440
i have an embarrassing confession that

2030
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:14,320
when i had to choose which one to watch

2031
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:15,760
i was probably going through kind of

2032
01:19:20,050 --> 01:19:18,000
like a phase of not really being really

2033
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,060
deep and i picked xanadu

2034
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,080
[Laughter]

2035
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:24,320
where's that headband chris let's get

2036
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,840
that lit no

2037
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,080
it was a lot either it was a little

2038
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:31,120
theater and they skated around you

2039
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,640
because it was xanadu and they had

2040
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:34,320
roller skates

2041
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,760
and that was a big thing like in the 80s

2042
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:39,920
i remember i'm old i it was i know i

2043
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:47,510
i could have gone to something better

2044
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,760
but i didn't i went does nana do and i

2045
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,679
loved it i loved it i thought it was

2046
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,760
theater's not going anywhere

2047
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:55,440
theater is not going anywhere it will

2048
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:58,480
live forever in some form so

2049
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,080
next time you guys are in new york you

2050
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,080
let me know i'll get you into one of

2051
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:04,800
these shows for sure oh i'll be there in

2052
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:07,280
july or august uh every twice a year

2053
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:09,600
every year i come to nuevo york but we

2054
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:12,000
got you know someone who uh who is going

2055
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,600
places and that's hilarious kevin what

2056
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:15,040
you got flair

2057
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:16,159
may

2058
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:19,679
okay well have you ever shoplifted no

2059
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,239
i'm kidding i'm kidding you said ask the

2060
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:24,480
tough questions like

2061
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,120
i feel like um confession real hard

2062
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,840
right i was i mean there's five of us

2063
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,440
asking you

2064
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:33,600
it must feel like the inquisition

2065
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:34,880
sometimes

2066
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,189
i'm just kidding um i had a um

2067
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,040
let's see i got a serious question

2068
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:45,199
actually or

2069
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,440
yeah so you've been at this a long time

2070
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:49,120
right you've got like a thousand

2071
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,679
interviews behind your belt right

2072
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,000
something like that at this point

2073
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:55,760
yeah i was wondering so as a long time

2074
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:58,320
podcaster if you could go back and give

2075
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,120
yourself the old you some advice about

2076
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:03,600
your work like what would it be

2077
01:21:07,020 --> 01:21:05,120
oh my god

2078
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:07,030
why did you like this show

2079
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,760
[Laughter]

2080
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:12,000
not at all i love what you guys do um

2081
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:13,600
well that kind of bleeds into my answer

2082
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,480
actually um i know when it first started

2083
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,960
somewhere in the skies um again as a

2084
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,120
playwright like i'm a slave to a script

2085
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,600
i i write works and that actor better

2086
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:26,080
say that damn word the way i wrote it

2087
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:28,480
and take a beat when i tell them to

2088
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,080
um or else um so when i first started

2089
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:34,320
the podcast i was very

2090
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:37,600
robotic very monotone very like sticking

2091
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:38,560
to the

2092
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:43,280
where i was like scripting the entire

2093
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:45,040
interview and i don't know what i was

2094
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,880
thinking because you guys know the

2095
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,560
minute you start talking about ufos like

2096
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:50,320
the conversation can go in a million

2097
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:53,199
directions and i could never find a way

2098
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:54,880
to really bring it back to

2099
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:57,920
that script and i realized i was wasting

2100
01:22:01,189 --> 01:22:00,480
my time like this topic isn't meant to

2101
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:01,199
be

2102
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,639
uh talked about that way the you explore

2103
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,360
you find you you have revelations during

2104
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:10,080
a conversation and um i think that's

2105
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:11,679
what i would have told myself from the

2106
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:13,280
start is just

2107
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:14,320
go in

2108
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,600
and talk

2109
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,679
um even if you don't say anything the

2110
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:19,280
whole time like

2111
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,800
they're not there to really they're not

2112
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,480
there to hear me they're there to hear

2113
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,120
my guest um that's why they listened to

2114
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:28,000
the podcast um god i if i had to listen

2115
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:29,840
to my voice the whole time

2116
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,239
no thank you no thank you um so yeah i

2117
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:34,239
think for me it would be

2118
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:35,040
that

2119
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,719
and it would also be to not live in new

2120
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,800
york city and try to run a podcast

2121
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:41,120
because it's almost impossible i live

2122
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:42,960
right near a subway it goes by every 10

2123
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:46,800
seconds i got to restart everything um

2124
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,120
it gets frustrating you know or you got

2125
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:51,600
noisy neighbors or the fire alarm going

2126
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:53,840
off um but again

2127
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,440
that's the beauty of new york the

2128
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,280
chaotic place that it is but it is

2129
01:23:02,709 --> 01:22:59,440
definitely not a place to run a quiet

2130
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:02,719
podcast so yeah yeah

2131
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:03,679
cool

2132
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:04,960
um

2133
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,360
earlier you were speaking about

2134
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:09,760
uh the the possibility of you know

2135
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,239
future us looking back at us now that

2136
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,320
that seems very plausible that alpha

2137
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,800
centauri and other planets don't but you

2138
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,880
know you listen to guys that were

2139
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,040
involved in

2140
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:23,199
using satellites and other technologies

2141
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,320
to track

2142
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:26,320
uh intercontinental ballistic missile

2143
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:27,920
systems and so on so forth like john

2144
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:31,040
ramirez and he said that these uh

2145
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:34,639
unknowns or uaps that as we now call

2146
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:36,560
them have been spotted outside the

2147
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:38,560
atmosphere and in space

2148
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,840
so to me it's it it seems as likely that

2149
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,000
that there are future us's flying

2150
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:46,719
certain types of craft and possibly

2151
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:50,080
other uh intelligences from outside of

2152
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,719
the planet like perhaps i'm a new yorker

2153
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:54,480
so i mean i've had

2154
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:57,520
since uh you and i have first uh

2155
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:01,040
messaged on uh or or tweeted one another

2156
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:02,480
i've had probably

2157
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:05,280
seven maybe eight high school classmates

2158
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,320
we all graduated in in 85 so you can no

2159
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:11,040
that was the height of the ufo boom via

2160
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,719
our friend linda and dr heineck uh

2161
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:16,400
nathan's well anyway

2162
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,600
so um

2163
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:19,360
but

2164
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:22,000
do you i mean i i don't want do you

2165
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,520
think that we should close the door on

2166
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,520
that possibility i don't but maybe you

2167
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,760
do and maybe you have you've talked to a

2168
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:29,280
zillion more people and have studied

2169
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:31,920
this a lot longer than i have

2170
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:34,400
the the concept of us from the future

2171
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,600
explaining this no that i i i'm i'm on

2172
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:39,760
i'm on board that all possibilities are

2173
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,520
open including with the earlier craft uh

2174
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:45,360
the different types of craft and

2175
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,600
different uh um

2176
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,760
let's say behavior patterns that they

2177
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,840
displayed landing

2178
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:53,199
interacting

2179
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:54,960
abducting all these sorts you don't hear

2180
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,000
a lot of abduction stuff lately uh and

2181
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:00,320
then also the fact that uh they've been

2182
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,679
reported by people like ramirez who know

2183
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,960
something

2184
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,199
outside of the atmosphere do so

2185
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:08,960
but earlier you were sort of indicating

2186
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,199
you think it's not likely um what is

2187
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:13,520
your your official

2188
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,600
position

2189
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:16,960
i don't know

2190
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:19,760
i i i i mean again i think that's the

2191
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:22,080
most responsible answer i can give but

2192
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:25,120
but um i i also think it's very

2193
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:26,480
interesting and you bring up a good

2194
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:30,239
point that these phenomena seem to

2195
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,480
i don't want to say reflect because

2196
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,040
they're usually far more advanced than

2197
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,520
anything we possess on our planet in

2198
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,080
terms of how they maneuver how they work

2199
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:42,560
uh how they affect us physiologically

2200
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:44,880
psychologically emotionally

2201
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:46,639
and everything in between

2202
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,760
it is fascinating to me that you see

2203
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:51,360
these kind of

2204
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:54,800
pins in each decade of you know

2205
01:26:02,870 --> 01:25:57,840
saucers of the 50s triangles of the 80s

2206
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,880
and 90s orbs and and plasmas of today um

2207
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:04,880
oh my god i love your cat

2208
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:08,080
i love it

2209
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:10,719
um oh my gosh i got so distracted oh

2210
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:11,679
sorry

2211
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,080
yeah no dude i think um again i think

2212
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,159
what the phenomena does in its kind of

2213
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:19,040
trickster-ish nature is um

2214
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:19,760
it

2215
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,199
looks at what we are in this time line

2216
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,440
that we're in and says

2217
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,920
i wonder what would happen if i bent it

2218
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:29,679
just a little bit to see how they'd

2219
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:30,719
react

2220
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,679
and

2221
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,000
that's what i i think

2222
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:36,719
could be happening um you know again as

2223
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:39,440
a playwright i sometimes look at all of

2224
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:40,960
the phenomenon

2225
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:43,679
as one giant performance piece

2226
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,400
like the biggest most epic play you can

2227
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:48,239
think of that's gonna be

2228
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:52,239
on stage for millennia and that they're

2229
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:55,199
just seeing how us the audience is going

2230
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:56,080
to

2231
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:57,120
react

2232
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,880
and you know in the theater world we

2233
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,400
have this idea of breaking the fourth

2234
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:03,120
wall um where characters are in the

2235
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:05,520
world and then they turn to the audience

2236
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,600
and say what do you guys think

2237
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:08,960
and

2238
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:11,600
back in the day you would never do that

2239
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:13,360
on on in theater it was like

2240
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:16,000
sacrilegious um but now you see it more

2241
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:18,080
and more or you see it in tele

2242
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,920
television and movies where like you

2243
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,520
know i go back to like say by the bell

2244
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,760
where zach would be like time out and

2245
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:26,000
he'd come out and like preach something

2246
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:26,719
to

2247
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:31,760
i do wonder at times like is this the

2248
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:34,480
phenomena um where that barrier is

2249
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:37,600
between the stage and the the chairs um

2250
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,320
are they just breaking the fourth wall

2251
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,639
to give us a tiny glimpse and to be like

2252
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,120
what do you think about this um how's it

2253
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,560
what are you gonna do after that like

2254
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,560
this whole idea of like a cargo cult

2255
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:50,480
like what if we do

2256
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:52,719
crash one of our craft

2257
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,199
in a desert somewhere remotely in i

2258
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:57,920
don't know let's say uh spin oh roswell

2259
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,360
new mexico yeah throw the craft there um

2260
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,360
we'll put a few beings in there

2261
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:05,520
unfortunately they're they're casualties

2262
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:08,960
of scientific exploration um let's see

2263
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:11,440
what they do and i i always go back to

2264
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,920
like space odyssey like the monolith is

2265
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,360
there and then

2266
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,679
humanity slowly evolves around that and

2267
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:19,920
interprets it in their own ways and then

2268
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,320
eventually uh you know

2269
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,480
becomes what it is so

2270
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:27,440
what if what if that could be happening

2271
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,000
i love that concept of like

2272
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:32,080
are they gifting us things

2273
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:33,920
just small glimpses whether it's through

2274
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:35,760
these abduction experiences or close

2275
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:38,000
encounters be like all right let's see

2276
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,199
what they do with this let's see what

2277
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,520
they do with this and now we're living

2278
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:43,040
in an age at least here in the united

2279
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,400
states um

2280
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:46,239
where it's all about military and it's

2281
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,840
all about the threat potential and um

2282
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,600
and this and that and this and that so

2283
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:53,440
you gotta wonder like are they just

2284
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,080
gonna see what we do with it um just

2285
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:58,000
like you would an experiment with an

2286
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:59,840
animal you know throw something in the

2287
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:01,520
cage and see what it does

2288
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:04,080
um and the results will probably vary

2289
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:05,360
and maybe that's what they're trying to

2290
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:08,159
see like huh they did this they did that

2291
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:13,040
oh the nukes were um shut off by our ufo

2292
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:14,960
let's see what happens if we turn them

2293
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:17,440
back on turn them off again or even

2294
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:19,920
launch them you know like i set up a

2295
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,280
launch sequence that they need to

2296
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:23,760
interrupt like mechanically

2297
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:25,360
what would look like they did with the

2298
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:28,560
russians yeah yeah could be a message

2299
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,840
maybe they're trying to tell us

2300
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:31,600
something that we're just not

2301
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:34,639
ready to listen to i don't know

2302
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:36,080
one of my big questions that i'm not

2303
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,520
going to ask right now because we want

2304
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:39,840
to let the audience get a chance to uh

2305
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,600
have we're going to do like a rapid fire

2306
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:43,360
around so we'll ask you something kind

2307
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:44,719
of rapid fire try and get through those

2308
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:46,960
but my big question and and we've

2309
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,280
discussed it on nathan and i discussed

2310
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:51,280
it with james we've discussed amongst

2311
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:54,880
ourselves is if they're capturing

2312
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:57,280
if they are sampling we're you know

2313
01:30:01,910 --> 01:30:00,080
basically we take when an experiencer

2314
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:01,920
tells us and we believe them for

2315
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:04,159
whatever our metrics are that they've

2316
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:06,000
passed through our filter and we say you

2317
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,679
know what i believe this person said

2318
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:09,840
they've taken biological material from

2319
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:12,560
me from either my sexual organs so on so

2320
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:15,679
forth or another part of my anatomy um

2321
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:17,120
what is the reason that they're they

2322
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,800
find value in it or they wouldn't take

2323
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:20,400
it the question is

2324
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:22,960
why do they want it that's a that's a

2325
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,080
big box

2326
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:26,159
i won't open right now but something we

2327
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,760
can get to let's get to the rapid fire

2328
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,440
round and then if we have time we'll

2329
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:31,679
maybe we'll attack that question as a as

2330
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:33,679
a group of us

2331
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:35,040
so go ahead

2332
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:36,880
yeah we don't uh we have a couple of

2333
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:38,400
questions i've actually been able to

2334
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,120
group and we have one right here

2335
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:43,440
from ask an alien

2336
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,280
questions

2337
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:47,040
i always wanted to say that that way

2338
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:48,880
questions photo of me

2339
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,600
um in all of your research oh hold on i

2340
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:53,840
have there's a better version of it in

2341
01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:56,000
other words which event where three or

2342
01:31:01,270 --> 01:30:59,120
more people saw the actual alien beings

2343
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:01,280
is the most credible has the best

2344
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:04,880
descriptions drawn put images uh such as

2345
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:07,920
the south australian school children

2346
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:09,440
ooh they stole my thunder that was the

2347
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:13,280
one i was gonna say yeah um rua zimbabwe

2348
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:16,159
uh where six over sixty school children

2349
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:19,600
um witness to craft land beings come out

2350
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:20,560
um

2351
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:22,560
you know kind of check out the area some

2352
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,159
of these students said that they even

2353
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:26,960
received like telepathic messages or

2354
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:29,679
images of like you know the destruction

2355
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,360
of earth and you got to clean up your

2356
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:33,840
act and you are the next generation on

2357
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:35,199
this planet like get it right get it

2358
01:31:40,390 --> 01:31:38,000
right and um i i spoke to two of the

2359
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:40,400
witnesses actually much later in life

2360
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:41,520
and um

2361
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:43,280
both of them have become

2362
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:44,800
incredible

2363
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:47,520
people and they credit a lot of what

2364
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:50,159
they've become to this event and i i

2365
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:52,480
again that's what i am all about is the

2366
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:54,560
aftermath of an event and how it affects

2367
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:57,840
you moving forward and um that would be

2368
01:32:01,510 --> 01:32:00,560
probably the most credible case you had

2369
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:01,520
um

2370
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:04,159
uh you had a researcher in

2371
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:06,239
south africa actually

2372
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:09,199
bring this to america to john mack

2373
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:10,880
obviously the harvard psychiatrist who

2374
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:13,440
got really into abductions he went over

2375
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:14,880
interviewed the children they all

2376
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:17,760
sketched it separately and a lot of them

2377
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,400
had they found patterns throughout it um

2378
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:23,040
and then later um even some of the

2379
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:24,639
school teachers came forward and said i

2380
01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:26,480
believe they saw this i didn't see it

2381
01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:28,960
myself but i believe these kids so um

2382
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:31,840
that would be one and then actually

2383
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:34,000
the other western

2384
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:37,760
i was okay okay yeah um so you've got

2385
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:39,840
more than one school event you got the

2386
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:41,520
rue zimbabwe one then you've got the

2387
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:44,880
west all event of 66 where again a bunch

2388
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,679
of school children witness kind of a

2389
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:49,760
similar event as these kids

2390
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:51,040
and um

2391
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:54,000
and yeah i i would have to go with the

2392
01:32:58,229 --> 01:32:55,520
landings where

2393
01:32:59,910 --> 01:32:58,239
um a lot of people saw

2394
01:33:03,189 --> 01:32:59,920
actual

2395
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:03,199
beings some sort of entity involved with

2396
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:05,600
it and uh those would be my top two if i

2397
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:06,960
had to pick

2398
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,800
now is that the one that was the one

2399
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,480
where they asked about the um didn't

2400
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:12,560
they say something about technology to

2401
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:14,000
the kids

2402
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:17,120
like hearing tech like technology's bad

2403
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:18,560
and i didn't know that's kind of a

2404
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:20,880
recurring thing west hall threatened uh

2405
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:23,120
the teacher that was the one where uh

2406
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:24,960
they threatened a couple of students and

2407
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:27,440
the uh science teacher and the other one

2408
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:30,159
was uh was the south african but let's

2409
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:32,480
get another one up there

2410
01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:35,120
let's get it from mr crowley ryan do you

2411
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:37,120
believe that different alien crafts and

2412
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,440
beings are different species or from

2413
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:41,520
different times

2414
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,080
all of the above again

2415
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:47,040
phenomena is the best way to i think

2416
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:49,040
term all of this i i don't think we're

2417
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:52,320
dealing with one source to uap um i do

2418
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:54,960
like the term uap actually again even

2419
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:56,719
though it was kind of coined by the

2420
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:59,920
government again kind of like ufo was um

2421
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,600
i do believe it broadens the scope of

2422
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:03,840
what we're dealing with and

2423
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,199
i do think just like here on earth um we

2424
01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:09,280
have all different makes and models of

2425
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:11,280
cars we have all different types of

2426
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:13,520
people driving them we have different

2427
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:16,320
vehicles for different purposes so i do

2428
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:17,920
think we're dealing with a lot of

2429
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:20,560
different um

2430
01:34:25,910 --> 01:34:22,880
i don't even want to say entities i i

2431
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:25,920
don't know that but intelligences behind

2432
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:28,080
these phenomena or um

2433
01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:30,800
anomalies behind these phenomena and

2434
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:32,000
who's to say they're not from a

2435
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:33,360
different time a different plane a

2436
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:35,679
different dimension a different world um

2437
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:37,120
all of the above

2438
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:37,840
like

2439
01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:40,320
who who says we're dealing with one

2440
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:43,119
thing maybe bigfoot is a ghost maybe the

2441
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:44,880
loch ness monster is a

2442
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:48,080
um is an alien i i don't know um i think

2443
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:51,440
it's cool to ask those questions because

2444
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:53,520
if we don't like we're gonna get stuck

2445
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:55,760
in that narrow path of thinking what

2446
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:58,320
they thought in the 30s 40s 50s that it

2447
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,480
was just little green men coming in

2448
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:02,400
metal saucers which

2449
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:05,119
it's clearly not it's clearly clearly

2450
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:10,550
thank you so much so i've got a couple

2451
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:11,920
more real quick and i know that we're

2452
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:14,480
trying to let you go uh oh don't worry

2453
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:17,199
about it no no don't worry that's no you

2454
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:18,800
you've given us plenty of time we want

2455
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,600
to be mindful so spaghetti lee that's

2456
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:22,960
ryan can you tell us about your

2457
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:25,199
friendship with peter robbins this is

2458
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,149
that's why i'm a play right now man and

2459
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:39,920
not an actor you're way better at that

2460
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:43,040
than i am um so yes peter robbins is one

2461
01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:45,600
of my nearest dearest friends i do call

2462
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:48,639
him my mentor um but i think he

2463
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:51,760
looks at us as peers which i i just i'm

2464
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,920
so touched by that um

2465
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,520
and he really has

2466
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:57,360
changed my life and that's what true

2467
01:36:03,109 --> 01:35:59,920
friends are and um

2468
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,119
i trust him with everything that i do i

2469
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:05,119
i come to him all the time

2470
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:06,639
and you know

2471
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:08,480
he really

2472
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:11,600
showed me how to be

2473
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:14,639
a good person not just a quote unquote

2474
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,280
ufologist or whatever the you want to

2475
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:19,760
call people who look into ufos um

2476
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:21,679
he just taught me how to be a really

2477
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:25,600
good person and um empathetic he told me

2478
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:27,040
look you're gonna go out there and

2479
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:29,360
you're gonna meet some crazy ass people

2480
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:31,440
telling the weirdest stories you've ever

2481
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:34,080
heard in your life it's gonna be awkward

2482
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:35,840
um it's gonna be

2483
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:38,400
funny scary exciting nerve-wracking it's

2484
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,400
gonna be everything so just prepare

2485
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:42,560
yourself to um

2486
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:44,480
constantly change your mind

2487
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:45,360
and

2488
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:50,400
i have been wrong not just in ufology

2489
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:53,760
but in life in general so many times and

2490
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:55,760
until you can accept that

2491
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:58,400
and learn from it um you're really doing

2492
01:37:01,750 --> 01:37:00,239
yourself and i think the field a

2493
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:01,760
disservice you have so many people in

2494
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,159
this field who are so stuck on one thing

2495
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,320
that they will not hear anything else

2496
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:08,080
and um again i've been guilty of that as

2497
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:10,159
well but i think as time has progressed

2498
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:10,960
um

2499
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:14,000
while i become skeptical in some aspects

2500
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:17,600
of all of this stuff um i become very

2501
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:19,600
open to another like if you were to tell

2502
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:21,119
me three years ago to look at

2503
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:22,560
consciousness when it came to ufos i'd

2504
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:25,280
be like yeah yeah sure um

2505
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:27,280
go over in the corner

2506
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:30,880
have fun with that um now i'm like

2507
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:33,280
what if it's real what if like

2508
01:37:39,149 --> 01:37:36,560
there are blue avian aliens you know on

2509
01:37:40,350 --> 01:37:39,159
another planet what what if there are

2510
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,360
ultra-terrestrials or

2511
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,400
crypto-terrestrials living inside our

2512
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:44,960
planet and there's some weird breakaway

2513
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,840
civilization what if and um i think

2514
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:49,600
that's kind of where i'm at um i'm no

2515
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,320
closer to answers but uh i love asking

2516
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:53,840
the questions

2517
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:55,520
let me let me give you one other way to

2518
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:57,920
think about the uap ufo discussion and

2519
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:00,480
it's ironic because i'm an aviator by

2520
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:03,920
trade but and andy mcgrillen isn't but

2521
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:06,239
one one day when i first got involved in

2522
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,080
this topic we were discussing it and i

2523
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:10,639
was kind of also kind of skeptical about

2524
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:13,600
them using the term uap as opposed to

2525
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,400
ufo and andy said to me this was on like

2526
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:18,480
a phone conversation he said

2527
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:20,560
he said well maybe they're not flying

2528
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,400
and i started to think about bernoulli's

2529
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:24,000
theorem which

2530
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:26,320
the way we fly airplanes and create lift

2531
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:28,800
is based on uh newtonians first and

2532
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:30,800
third laws of motion and bernoulli's

2533
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:32,639
theorem so i started thinking about that

2534
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:33,600
and going

2535
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,480
oh

2536
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:36,159
yeah okay now i see that they're not

2537
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:37,440
flying

2538
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:41,920
need the air to create lift and to

2539
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,800
direct themselves and every single thing

2540
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:46,560
on this planet and don't let anybody

2541
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:47,920
fool you whether it's the stealth

2542
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,000
fighter the sr-71 or the right flyer

2543
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:54,960
from kill devil hills in like 1903 they

2544
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:57,520
all fly the exact same way and they all

2545
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,320
use bernoulli's theorem and these craft

2546
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:02,400
that they're seeing and the way that

2547
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:04,239
they're able to move at right angles and

2548
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:06,960
they have no control surfaces and no

2549
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,080
no sign of thermodynamic propulsion that

2550
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:12,719
we can see that's not what we would call

2551
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:15,440
flying they are moving through the air

2552
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:16,719
but they're not

2553
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,719
flying is the way we would call it so i

2554
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:20,639
now i understand uap

2555
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,119
all right uh chris i'll have one more

2556
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:25,199
question for you chat

2557
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,800
are you ready for this

2558
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,639
this is very serious

2559
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,800
okay i'm like ready to hit you with a

2560
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:32,880
question from my friend

2561
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:34,560
kathy splash

2562
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:37,040
ryan what is your favorite flavored ice

2563
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:38,400
yeah

2564
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,639
let's hear it coffee splash

2565
01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:42,639
john's on bleaker street and ice cream

2566
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:43,550
let's go

2567
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,760
[Laughter]

2568
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:47,679
um

2569
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:53,750
we cannot leave the audience like that

2570
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:55,600
ryan how dare you they'll never come

2571
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:57,840
back to this play again i'm sorry that

2572
01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:00,080
was for kevin i'm sorry seats will be

2573
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:01,840
empty tomorrow

2574
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:03,280
is that wait is that a scoop mark i

2575
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:10,229
i'm lactose intolerant bye

2576
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:11,360
and i'm not making light of the

2577
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:13,040
abductees i promise

2578
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,960
um

2579
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,400
i am c i'm just kidding

2580
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:18,239
[Laughter]

2581
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:22,960
i am gonna have to go with um

2582
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:25,520
chocolate peanut butter actually my

2583
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:28,159
all-time favorite

2584
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:31,600
salty kind of guy okay yes exactly man i

2585
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,040
love the sweet and the salty i love

2586
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:35,119
chocolate covered pretzels

2587
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,119
oh yeah yeah i'm one i'm one of those

2588
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:39,280
people who like you know puts chocolate

2589
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,560
on popcorn um yeah i think i gotta think

2590
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:44,159
for the sweet and salty so chocolate

2591
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:45,520
peanut butter

2592
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:47,679
yeah i love that all right nathan so

2593
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:48,560
when i

2594
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:53,520
coffee in new york this summer we should

2595
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:55,280
just get sprayed we'll make it all three

2596
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,679
of us he probably doesn't know susan he

2597
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:59,760
will you will love susan she's been in

2598
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:01,040
the game since

2599
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:03,920
for 40 years uh she's been following i

2600
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,400
do follow her on twitter she's a

2601
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:08,159
wonderful woman i

2602
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,320
appreciate and respect her insights yeah

2603
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,719
i do follow her so i would love that i

2604
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,400
would love to meet you guys in person

2605
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,159
all of you that's so dude when the world

2606
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,199
reopens entirely right you told all of

2607
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:21,600
us dj not just you and nathan do you

2608
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:23,920
notice that ah

2609
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,400
i don't know right what's going on

2610
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,080
man that there was no

2611
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:29,920
there was no damn

2612
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:53,590
i'm gonna break up the band tonight

2613
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:55,590
oh my god dude

2614
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:57,760
that's amazing

2615
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:01,199
he had a ufo sighting too over john

2616
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:03,920
he did lennon yep over central park he

2617
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,960
was living at the dakota um and uh for

2618
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:08,560
anyone who's interested peter robbins my

2619
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:11,280
mentor he gives tours of new york city

2620
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:13,440
and um i remember he brought me

2621
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:16,719
um to the dakota and you know i saw

2622
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:19,199
unfortunately where he was

2623
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,000
literally assassinated um

2624
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:24,960
but i also got to see like the window

2625
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:27,679
that he looked out and saw a ufo over

2626
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:31,280
central park like a classic disc and um

2627
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:32,960
i believe he wasn't with yoko at the

2628
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,239
time he was with his other companion um

2629
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:38,880
and they both saw it so yeah man

2630
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:40,719
something with the musicians and ufos i

2631
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:43,119
don't know what it is but wow maybe it's

2632
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:45,520
tapping into that raw artistic side of

2633
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,560
the brain

2634
01:42:51,189 --> 01:42:48,800
in that that's kind of like uh

2635
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:51,199
i don't know it's like bait to these

2636
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:54,159
ufos if it's not nuclear weapons it's

2637
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:00,229
i'll tell you what man we've we've got

2638
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:02,560
we've got more for you for uh next time

2639
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:03,920
uh mister

2640
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:05,760
mr sprague

2641
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,080
we're going to bring you back you're

2642
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:10,480
talking next very nice about the

2643
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:13,280
conscious the consciousness and this

2644
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,560
other topic in the phenomenon yeah i got

2645
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:18,719
to do some studying for sure you guys

2646
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:20,719
are going to school me no we're not

2647
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:23,280
schooling anybody man

2648
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,960
let everybody say goodbye to you please

2649
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,880
uh go ahead akashi

2650
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:29,360
um ryan it's just been a pleasure and

2651
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:30,480
i'm just

2652
01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:33,119
i'm floored that i get to talk to you i

2653
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:36,159
am just so excited that you were able to

2654
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:38,239
spend that time what are you getting for

2655
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:45,910
linda richmond

2656
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:49,830
peanut disney

2657
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:53,030
um anyway so back to you

2658
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,760
thank you for giving us your time um i i

2659
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:57,920
gotta tell you on a personal note i i

2660
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,080
used to love before i got into uap so i

2661
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:02,639
was into like murder podcasts and it

2662
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:04,639
cracks me up because

2663
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:05,440
i

2664
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,560
about uap but the way that you you tell

2665
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:21,760
stories

2666
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:24,159
it's just it just transports me and i

2667
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:26,480
just love to listen to you and i i was

2668
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,159
telling them you could just read recipes

2669
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:31,119
to me and i would be colleen

2670
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:35,040
we're gonna a cup of flour yeah

2671
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:36,800
that's my theater training i can't tell

2672
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:38,000
you how many

2673
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:39,920
how many people have reached out to me

2674
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,320
and be like i go to bed i fall asleep

2675
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:44,320
listening to your podcast and i'm just

2676
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,149
and um we will be taking that little

2677
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:56,320
road trip to new york i'm sorry you

2678
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:57,600
offered

2679
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,390
get in that

2680
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:04,480
all right so ryan before we even turn it

2681
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:06,719
over to kevin and then uh deb and then

2682
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,280
nathan uh would you please do a promo

2683
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:11,760
for us that sounds something like

2684
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:13,040
um

2685
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:16,239
you are this is ryan sprague and you're

2686
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:18,159
listening to calling all beings in your

2687
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:18,960
most

2688
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:21,280
sultry

2689
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:23,760
ryan sprague that you can conjure please

2690
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:25,840
all right you're on stage

2691
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:31,750
and cut to black no i can't do it

2692
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:37,669
this is ryan sprague and you're

2693
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:38,800
listening

2694
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:46,310
maybe try to get

2695
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:48,790
this is ryan sprague and i'm stepping

2696
01:45:55,030 --> 01:45:51,199
into the cab with the cabbies you're

2697
01:45:55,040 --> 01:46:09,750
yeah he's so good

2698
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:12,390
thanks for coming on man it's been a

2699
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:13,840
real honor meeting you dude i've been

2700
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:18,239
wanting to meet you for so long and yeah

2701
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:19,040
dude

2702
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,199
you're one of my heroes in this in this

2703
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:23,280
field so thank you for giving us your

2704
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:25,760
time man and um

2705
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,719
whenever you're you know you got a um

2706
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:31,119
any openings for a play or a movie you

2707
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:32,800
know think of my face

2708
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:35,600
i still got it at 40. okay come on heck

2709
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:38,560
yeah man i'm stealing those titles too

2710
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:47,189
money nathan oh no i'm sorry debs

2711
01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:49,520
yeah i was told that i could not sing

2712
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:51,840
the goodbye song from rent so we might

2713
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,310
or a good point

2714
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,320
whatever so so just know that that's

2715
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:02,480
what i would have saw

2716
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:04,800
to you to say goodbye

2717
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:07,440
and thank you so much

2718
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:08,400
thank you

2719
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:09,840
yeah

2720
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:14,639
it's

2721
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:18,719
and um

2722
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:20,719
i just want to thank you for your time

2723
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:22,400
you know to echo what kevin said you are

2724
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,800
an inspiration and i know that having

2725
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:26,480
done this for so long

2726
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:27,920
you know you probably have gone through

2727
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,840
phases where you felt

2728
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,679
you know maybe you doubted the

2729
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:33,119
the value of the work that you've done

2730
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:34,320
or whether you should keep doing the

2731
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:36,960
work and you know for those of us here

2732
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:38,320
you know we're just wanting to encourage

2733
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,080
you to keep doing what you're doing

2734
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:42,000
both in this space and elsewhere i think

2735
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,360
it's all connected

2736
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:45,920
uh one way or the other and your craft

2737
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,320
really elevates this conversation

2738
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:50,480
and are grateful and we look forward to

2739
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:55,590
thanks brother i that means the world to

2740
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:58,239
me um it really does i i there are and

2741
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:00,480
we all have those moments where we are

2742
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:03,520
just done with it and this phenomenon

2743
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:05,280
can do that and it's done it to me many

2744
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:07,280
times but you know conversations like

2745
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:10,480
this and and just talking to you guys it

2746
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:11,600
it

2747
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:16,800
whatever like

2748
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:20,080
tv's fun or like writing a book is cool

2749
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:23,360
but having these conversations is like

2750
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:25,040
where the real

2751
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:26,960
real stuff happens

2752
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,360
to be completely honest and the fact

2753
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:32,239
that any of you guys would be like yeah

2754
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:34,560
invite him on we we actually care about

2755
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:37,199
what he thinks um that means the world

2756
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:40,480
to me and i i mean that and i'm fans of

2757
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:43,119
you guys because we're all in this

2758
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:45,600
together i know that's such a cliche to

2759
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:48,560
say but cliches are there for a reason

2760
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:51,440
in in in they're real and you guys

2761
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:52,639
you've made this

2762
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:55,360
better for me and and you've made me

2763
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:57,760
think about things that i i may have not

2764
01:49:02,550 --> 01:48:59,600
thought about prior to this conversation

2765
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:02,560
so i have to thank you

2766
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:05,280
you know trying to follow uh money

2767
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:08,000
nathan and then you ryan is like the who

2768
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:09,920
trying to follow jimi hendrix at the

2769
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:12,400
monterey pop festival in which case

2770
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:14,320
roger dalton said it's not going to

2771
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:15,760
happen mate

2772
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:17,920
somebody else is going after hendricks

2773
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,599
not gonna be us

2774
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:21,360
so i love it

2775
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:22,960
so um

2776
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:25,199
no i uh we are really honored uh you're

2777
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:26,639
somebody that i looked up to from the

2778
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,000
beginning and was tweeting back and

2779
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:30,080
forth with very early on like andy and

2780
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:33,040
james and so on and so forth uh

2781
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,800
several of these people

2782
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:36,719
we're here to try to bring a modicum of

2783
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:39,280
positivity to the space there's been a

2784
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:41,119
lot of fighting among many of our

2785
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:43,520
principals and people that we need to

2786
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:45,280
exercise some leadership people that

2787
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:47,920
have been in it longer than we have

2788
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:49,679
and um

2789
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:51,679
so we're trying to to try to lead by

2790
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:53,840
example and hope that but we're also

2791
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:55,599
ready to follow you know if somebody's

2792
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,960
going to lead because

2793
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:59,119
in order for us to try to

2794
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:00,719
get to find

2795
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:02,880
some common ground and some consensus

2796
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:04,960
into something that we're all passionate

2797
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:06,960
about but we're doing the most human

2798
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,360
thing ever in finding ways to fight

2799
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,440
about it and hate on one another but

2800
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:13,440
when you come in this space here you're

2801
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:14,639
going to be loved you're going to be

2802
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:16,400
cared for we're going to ask you some

2803
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,599
questions

2804
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:19,520
and uh and then we're going to say

2805
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:20,960
goodbye to you and

2806
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,040
and hope that you'll want to come back

2807
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:25,199
and when we do we'll explore some some

2808
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:27,840
deeper questions so on behalf of uh

2809
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:30,000
money nathan and our producer akashi

2810
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:30,960
chris

2811
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:32,880
our humorist kevin

2812
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:36,400
and our researcher deb uh cj saying uh

2813
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:38,560
peace out one love

2814
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,800
and we'll see you down the road

2815
01:50:46,620 --> 01:50:43,040
thank you guys truly honored thank you